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Iran To Buy New Planes

Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:52 pm

Based on a report at Aviatsiya (http://www.aviatsiya.ru/forums/viewtopic.php?t=118)

- Iran Air: 8 A321, 5 A332, 3 A343
- Iran Air Tours: 13 MD-83
- Mahan Air: 8 A320
- Iran Asseman Air (IAA): 10 ATR (unspecified)

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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:20 pm

Good news for the Iranians in general........Hope this doesn't mean they'll be getting rid of their fabulous SP's......???

Come to think of it , can't see a great rush of people wanting to fly on a IR 340 in 30 yaers time.

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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:46 pm

The problem is that already too many A340's exist. This is the reason why it will never be able to become such a great classic as the 747SP is now. However, from the economic point of view it is certainly a good step for Iran Air to get an adequate alternative to the bigger carriers currently serving Iran. I suppose most business men who are not as enthusiastic about aircrafts as we are will prefer the new Airbusses over the old planes.

So Tugmaster, we made the right decision to fly on one of their SP's as long as it is still there.

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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:02 pm

After reading the large feature in Airliner World a few months ago , Iran Air have worked hard over the years.
Yes, the ongoing US sanctions which it would appear will not be lifted in the forseeable future, will continue to cause a headache for the country.
The airline itself deserves recognition. Its standards are high and the crews are of high calibre.
Naturally, suspicion will always continue to hang around concerning Iran but you cannot judge an airline just because it comes from a muslim run country.
The way Iran Air has battled against the odds for the last 30 years is to be admired.

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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:51 pm

Because of US sanctions, I would have thought all these planes will have to be leased.
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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:13 pm

Nice to see Iran is renewing its fleet, because they couldn't fly those classics forever and they have made an excellent choice I (hope I will be allowed to) say. I suppose the Airbusses will be all new, but where will the MD-80s come from?
 
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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:24 am

Most of their aircraft upgrades (from cabin reconfiguration to EGPWS installation) are done by Air France industries, so I guess they do work hard to have a high standard of quality on their aircraft.

Although Airbus' equipments are now mostly american made, I guess they just kept on struggling with servicing these aircraft without any support at all from the American companies.
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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:31 am

Didn't the sanctions limit their ability to purchase new airframes? Or are they buying their a340s from THY like their a300s?

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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 12:40 am

Didn't the sanctions limit their ability to purchase new airframes? Or are they buying their a340s from THY like their a300s?

That's what I thought. I have not heard of any thawing of the US stance to Iran, so I doubt any new Boeing/Airbus purchases can proceed.

Although, IranAir did manage to buy some used 312/313 aircraft recently -- is this a loophole in the sanctions? In other words, could IranAir procure used 343's etc?


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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:00 am

I as well am curious how they will be able to get these aircrafts?

Are they going to come from THY?

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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:21 am

The only new a/c IR was able to purchase in the last 20 years, during the embargo, had been six Fokker 100s and two A300-600R.
These 2 Airbus were bought brand new from the manufacturer in the late 1990s, when the political climate was somewhat eased.

In 2001, IR was able to purchase some second-hand A310-200 and a single -300 from THY and EK. The initial plan was to buy a number of new A330s, however this deal fell through.

Recently, Two A320 have been leased from the Tunisian carrier "Nouvelair" to replace the retired B737. IR was very happy with them but because they are operated on an ACMI (Aircraft Crew Maintenance Insurance) lease, the higher cost involved prevent this solution being applied on a larger scale.
IR would be interested in flying more A320s but only if it could operate them independently or on a dry-lease contract.

Several times over the past few years, orders have been announced for brand new Airbuses, be they A320s, A330s, or A340s.
Each time delivery has been postponed or the whole deal put on hold.
IR was even one of the first airlines to declare its interest in the first two A340-500 that were not accepted by Air Canada and placed in temporary storage at Châteauroux, France.

Iran announced early this year a large order of 40 Tu-204.... and more recently a possible order for MD-90 (!!!) but no more news concerning these orders... Sad

Let's just hope that this stupid, ridiculous and useless U.S embargo will stop soon and that Iran Air will be able to re-build the great and decent fleet it deserves.


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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 2:35 am

In a recent airliner world magazine...it mentioned that Iran Air approved the purchase of buying 60 TU 214s / TU 204s as it gave it up the idea of getting new Airbus models due to the US Sanctions so this AIRBUS Order claim of that website seems to be very strange.

US Sanctions wouldnt permit it as some parts of the Airbus aircraft are obtained from USA.
 
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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:26 am

I think its great that Iran Air is growing, I hope to visit Iran in the near future.
I can't wait.

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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 5:34 am

Those Fokker's and Airbus aircraft was only ordered after the US allowed them to do so.

This was because a US Warship blew one of their A300 with a missle in the Persian Gulf back in the mid to late 80's.

It would be great if they will be able to pull this order.

on side note,

does anybody know if EP-IAC, B747-SP is now flying?
this aircraft was damaged in PEK last January.


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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:21 am

Maybe the TU 204's are a good idea. They are rugged, dependable, and infinitely easier and cheaper to maintain than the problem prone A300 and A310's.
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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 6:28 am

The A332 could concievably come used from Emirates as their new 777s arrive. The RR engines would be a better choice due to the American embargo.

Iran Air could also take aircraft on lease but registered in Ireland. This is by no means uncommon. The point is that Iran Air and its various subsiduaries/competitors need fleet replacements due to the age of what they currently fly. These are civilian carriers, carrying the public of Iran.

They deserve safe transport at the very least.
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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:56 am

Man, this is getting too political ! Iran has found a loop hole in the US sanctions, which drive anti US feelings in Iran and give greater power to the so called "hardliners".
Anyway Iran is much bigger than these stupid obstacles and it has infact already begun this phase of fleet renewal. Mahan Air, already has a A320, EP-MHJ built in 1998, which even more bizarrely flew for UNITED for a few years !!!


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I flew on her this year and the crew were giving me dates as to when the other A320's will arrive in Mahan’s fleet !!!
I cant wait to see “Homa” on the tail of these jets and safer skies for all.

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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 9:22 am

Amir

do you have any word of EP-IAC?

thanks

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RE: Iran To Buy New Planes

Sat Sep 18, 2004 9:44 am

1) EP-IAC is not listed on the active IR fleet. I doubt that she will fly regularly again.
2) United Tristar, your comments are too stupid to reply.
3) The results of the US sanctions on Iran have been making the ruling clergy stronger by the day. I know what the Americans get out of it: Hundreds of thousands of our best educated, brightest and youngest minds. The brain drain of Iran has helped US and Canada hugely. Just go to any hospital in major areas of North America and you'll see how many Iranian physicians are there. I feel sorry for my country, my people and myself. My lot is to roam the earth without an identity. Thanks US for continuing to screw us over with the airplane sanctions.
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