kevin
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Oneworld Mileage Question

Sun Sep 19, 2004 4:15 am

I am a member of the BA Executive Club. However recently I did a bit of flying with Cathay which is a partner to BA. LAX-HKG-BKK-HKG-LAX

For the LAX to HKG I received only 1027 miles
For HKG to BKK I got only 220 miles
Same on the way back. This is dissapointing

Do they have rules that say that if you fly a partner airline you get only 20% of what the miles really supposed to be?
 
jouy31
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:06 am

What was the fare class of your CX segments ?
 
kevin
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:23 am

The fare class was economy.
 
geoffm
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:31 am

BA only give 25% of miles flown for economy fare classes, except the highest class(es) (ie full economy fare), in which case you would have paid probably well over CA$3000 - which, I assume, you didn't?

They're stingy.

Geoff M.
 
kevin
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:34 am

Looks like they are stingy.

One more question:

My membership expires in November. What happens to my miles? Do I have to use them before my membership expires or they get transfered to my new membership? How do I renew the membership?

Thanks.
 
warren747sp
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Sun Sep 19, 2004 12:51 pm

IS that true you can not earn AA miles on BA trans-Atlantic flights?
747SP
 
kevin
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Sun Sep 19, 2004 1:11 pm

Warren747 SP:

AA is a member of Oneworld as is Cathay Pacific. If you are a member of AA FFP, but your Transatlantic flight is with BA you will earn only 25% of the mileage. That is what happened to me on the Cathay transpacific.
Sad , but true.
 
jouy31
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:37 pm

Kevin, what happened to you was probably that you were on a coach discounted fare (ie not a Y, B or H fare class), where in the BA Executive Club you earn only 25% of miles. That is why I was enquiring about the fare class of your ticket (Y, B, H, A, ...) not the class of service (coach, business, first)

The point Warren747sp raised is another one. You cannot earn AA miles when flying BA between the US and the UK, nor can you earn BA miles when flying AA on the same routes for any fare class or any class of service. This is not the case for transatlantic flights between the UK and countries other than the US.

[Edited 2004-09-19 10:38:36]
 
Flightlover
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:23 pm

I find these inter-airline arrangements in OneWorld very strange. A similar thing happened to me in January when I took BA for a transatlantic flight IAD-LHR-OTP-LHR-IAD. I only got about 2500 miles for the entire flight when the actual number of miles was around 10000 (25%). So I said I will not fly them again and cancelled my BA membership. I am still an AA frequent flier but they don't have these weird rule of giving only 25% of the actual miles flown on in cheap economy classes.
Regarding the question that was asked earlier as JOUY31 said: you can't earn miles on Transatlantic flights on AA if the flight is operated by BA and vice-versa.
 
geoffm
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:37 pm

The fact that you're flying a partner airline doesn't affect whether you get 25% of miles or not, since on all my BA flights (LHR-AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DEN being the longest) I still only got 25%. As has already been mentioned by myself and others, it depends purely on the fare class.

Your membership should be renewed automatically, but you lose some of your miles. Again, BA being stingy. Compare to CO where you keep your miles for years AND you earn 100% miles per flight regardless of fare class (some minor exceptions). I've actually flown less miles with CO yet earnt more upgrades.

Geoff M.
 
anstar
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:39 pm

Ba look after their premium pax. Hence why the program is called the executive club. They offer 25% miles on economy tickets with partners AND all their partners offer 25% on BA flights.

QF only give you 25% on disc BA now too.

Flightlover, AA do have lower earning thresholds also, except with AA, some flights are completely void of earning miles ie you get 0% and some you get 50%
 
DTManiac
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:41 pm

Hello,

I have got a Qantas frequent flyer membership and I will spend half a year in the US next year. What about miles when I fly on AA. Do I get the full miles or do Qantas and AA have similar regulations. Is there something special I should now about earning miles on AA?

Greetings

Frederik
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ChrisZRH
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:08 pm

WHAT??? you don't get miles flying with partner airlines in the same alliance?!?! i'm Swiss FFP member and i get full miles on all AA, CX flights and their not even in an alliance together!
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jakob77
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:24 pm

Just as with other FFPs, your tickets need to be in certain fare classes in order to be able to earn miles. BA Executive Club is more restrictive where all discount Y tickets earn only 25% regardless of which oneworld airline you fly on. oneworld FFPs are generally more restrictive in terms of earning miles on cheap discount Y fares relative to say * FFPs.
 
jouy31
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:29 am

ChrisZRH,

The situation with BA and AA regarding mileage accrual on US-UK flights is not standard practice within airlines alliances. It is linked to the current state of agreements between the US and the British government.

The issue of poor mileage accrual in the BA Executive Club is different. You get only 25% of standard mileage and you get NO tier point (the equivalent of status miles or qualifying miles in other frequent flyer programmes). So you never get elite status on BA if you fly in discounted coach (ie non Y, B or H fares for BA flights)
 
anstar
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:42 am

With Qantas FF, you earn the follwoing on AA

Discount Economy Fare classes: G, L, M, N, S, V earn 50% of mileage

Discount Economy Fare classes: E, O, Q, R, T, U, W, X, Z earn NOTHING

Quite a few of the online bookings with AA are O class so watch out as I have been caught out by this too!

At least with BA you get points for any discounted economy class (paid)
 
DTManiac
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:49 am

Thank you ANstar,

but how do I see the booking class when booking via internet? For example, does expedia.com show the booking class?

Frederik
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FLVILLA
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:54 am

I too have been caught out by this arrangement when I was traveling from TPA-LGW return trying to use my AA card but the gate agent made it clear that I would'nt get anything.

But it does set BA in a much different league to every other airline, for example I'm VS silver(going for gold soon  Innocent ) and every time I fly VS there are loads of others with silver, it is so easy to get it's almost worthless. But whenever I see a BA Silver or even Gold card member, then that guy is the real deal, top high flying EXECUTIVE which makes it an exclusive club and is one good reason for BA doing pretty well in it's premium classes as there most of the time all exec members.
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geoffm
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:05 am

DTManiac, you can, by reading the fare rules.

For Expedia.co.uk, you first select the flight you want, click "choose this flight", then under (3) click on "Read an overview of all the rules and restrictions applicable to this fare". That'll get you a display something like this:

BRSEWR-CO 21SEP04 *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0001 RULE 2170
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *
-FARE BASIS GBP NUC PTC FT GI
DAP3W R 3567.00 6540.84 ADT NL AT
DAP3W R 3567.00 6540.84 CNN NL AT
DAP3W/IN90 R 356.00 654.08 INF NL AT
DAP3W R 3567.00 6540.84 INS NL AT
DAP3W R 3567.00 6540.84 UNN NL AT
BOOKING CODES D

That D you see there is a business class fare. For the same flight in economy I got an L. By selecting "business" and "avoid most change penalties" I get a J.

There are a few websites explaining fare codes:
http://www.smarterliving.com/advice/advtips/advice.php?id=6682&ctid=i6682c35p420
http://www.continental.com/onepass/earn/airline/delta.asp (amongst others)

Geoff M.
 
DTManiac
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RE: Oneworld Mileage Question

Tue Sep 21, 2004 4:23 am

Geoffm,

thank you very much especially for the links. There are some quite good information for me as I am not so experienced in this topic.

Regards

Frederik
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