sw733
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Why No US Service To Orly?

Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:20 am

Sorry if this has been discussed before, but I searched and found nothing. I was just curious why Paris Orly has no American traffic like London Gatwick does? I know Orly has customs and all, because several African flight I believe go out of it, but I was just wondering why no US airlines use it. Thanks in advance!

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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:28 am

As CDG has expanded, the French Aviation Administration has switched all international carriers to that airport, leaving ORL as a domestic hub. I believe this is due to size constraints. The same thing was done when Le Bourget airport became too small.

ORL is now the French version of La Guardia airport in New York - close in, but hemmed in. CDG is the big international airport. And aren't there plans for an even newer airport?
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sw733
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:30 am

Awesome, that answers my question and VERY quickly! Thanks!
 
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:35 am

If I am correct, it has to do with competition! With "OneWorld" and "Skyteam", and the others, providing "seamless" service with their partners requires use of common airports for connections. That is one reason most airlines want LHR vs. LGW! The "connection" potential means more revenue potential!
 
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:45 am

As you may know, AA flew into Orly for years, and only transferred their operations over to CDG when they absolutely had to.
 
lh600
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:54 am

Do you know why Iran Air operates out of Orly instead of CDG? They would certainly benefit from connecting flights from North America.
 
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:01 am

PanAm747 : You're right, there are some (big) talks in France about a third airport but it is for ma a non sense (as it is to a lot of people).
The new airport, if any, would be far from Paris (more than 100km) and linked to the city with a fast train (something like a TGV).
Why some talks about a third airport?
Simple in fact : CDG is a huge airport with 4 runways and can receive 80 million pax a year. When it was built, it was in the middle of nowhere, with 2 runways and a lot of preserved fields around for future extension.
With the time, in some little towns around the perimeter of the airport, a lot of people built houses because it was near Paris and the places to build were not expensive.
Now, these same people are ckaimeing that the airport is too noisy, that the traffic must be stopped at night (no curfew at CDG) and so on.
Because some people are stupid (they knew when they built their houses that the airport was meant to be bigger), traffic is now limited at 50 million pax a year and there are some talks about a third airport....in 20 years at best.
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:06 am

I have even heard that they would look at expanding Aeroport Beauvais-Tille to be the new Paris airport (FR would like that). Considering that they just built a major addition to Roissy, and now have to fix it, they seem to still want to use CDG
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 3:57 am

After the AF purchase of KL, plans for a 3rd airport were all but DOA.
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:08 am

Someone please correct me, but didn't US used to serve ORL also (until it seems they were "forced" to switch to CDG)?

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jouy31
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:52 am

Mmm ... I think the airport code is ORY, not ORL.
 
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:53 am

Almost everyone who moved from ORY to CDG seem to have been forced to make the switch. What's even more annoying is that there are no longer any flights between ORY and LHR or LGW. I sure miss the days of TAT / Air Liberte  Sad
 
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 4:58 am

There is a strict cap on movements at ORY.
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aa777jr
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:26 am

So no U.S. carrier goes direct into ORY anymore?

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MAH4546
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:31 am

So no U.S. carrier goes direct into ORY anymore?

No, but a few months ago, after the CDG terminal collapse, Paris airport officials tried to get AA to move back to Orly because CDG was getting to congested. AA refused. The funny thing is, AA was the last one to leave Orly, back in May 1999, because they loved it there. They were forced to move CDG, and now that airport officials want them back in Orly, they said they didn't want the hassle. It is too bad...I perfer Orly. Much easier airport to use, and closer to the city centre.
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aa777jr
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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:41 am

Wow, that is really sorry of AA, so if they had accepted France's offer to move back to ORY, would they have had to cease their flights into CDG?

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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:52 am

"With the time, in some little towns around the perimeter of the airport, a lot of people built houses because it was near Paris and the places to build were not expensive. Now, these same people are ckaimeing that the airport is too noisy, that the traffic must be stopped at night (no curfew at CDG) and so on.
Because some people are stupid (they knew when they built their houses that the airport was meant to be bigger)"

lcarus75, I guess US doesn't have a monopoly in this area. There are common grounds among US and France. Yes, we too have the same problem in the US.

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RE: Why No US Service To Orly?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:58 pm

In the past CO, DL, US and AA flew to ORY.

In CDG, just NW, UA and TW.