scf158
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Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:37 pm

Im planning a trip from GVA-DUB during Christmas and its about 130francs cheaper to fly via Milan with AZ compared to direct with Aer Lingus.

With all this fuss about Alitalia thats been going on lately, I am wondering whether are not its a good idea to book with them.

What do you think?

Regards,

Scf158

 
bennett123
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:52 pm

I think that if you use a credit card then you are covered. It might be a good idea to chek the situation on your card.

Besides Christmas is only three months away.

I think that AZ will be around at least until then.
 
Bicoastal
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Sun Sep 19, 2004 8:55 pm

This topic has been covered extensively recently with many, many opinions. You should use the Search function on A.net, to read recent posts about Alitalia. You can then reach your own conclusion about Alitalia's future.
Airliners.net has many forums. It has spell check and search functions. Use them before posting!
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Sun Sep 19, 2004 10:37 pm

Alitalia is a dinosaur, and was one long before September 11th, the War in Iraq, SARS, or the spike in jet fuel prices. It remains 62% controlled by the Italian government, making it historically difficult to introduce the required efficiencies to make a major airline work in these difficult times for the industry.

The fleet itself is relatively inefficient, apart from the A320 family of jets, there are too many differences and ratings among the aging MD80's and the 767-300's and 777's.

Further, the carrier has a bloated cost structure, bloated workforce, a well deserved reputation for surly, indifferent, unreliable, but safe service, and frankly, Milan and Rome are also rans in a continent filled with much more efficient and logical hub operations (i.e. Amsterdam, Heathrow, CDG, and so forth).

Alitalia will eventually either disappear or be acquired by a stronger Euro rival, perhaps Air France/KLM or maybe Iberia, or someone interested in it.

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HlywdCatft
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Sun Sep 19, 2004 11:56 pm

Alitalia will still be around. Rumors about Alitalia going under have been going around for over 10 years now and they are still here.
 
matt777
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:02 am

Alitalia is not even in the European "Chapter 11" (while US UA are), and there is still a looong way after Ch11 for Ch17 (stop operations).

Take AZ, there will be no problems, they are also IATA members, so if the carrier goes deep down (won't happen) your ticket can be transferred to another carrier.

Grazie per aver scelto Alitalia, vi auguriamo un buon soggiorno, Arrivederci.

 
f.pier
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 12:04 am

Don't worry. We are so st...d to keep alive an airline like that for so meny years and we'll find a way to give it more and more and more and more money, for many more years.
 
anstar
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:41 am

I didn't think there was a european chapter 11?

I'd book Aer Lingus. At least you won;t have the worry
 
airblue
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:24 am

I'm Italian and even if I wish for AZ something like SN or SR (close down and reopen the day after) I tell you what it will happen:

AZ will find an agreement with the staff, they got the €400m loan, the Italian State will find a legal way to put more money and.....

....your ticket is 100% safe. They will be here for long.

 
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 6:34 am

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matt777
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:47 pm

"AZ will find an agreement with the staff, they got the €400m loan, the Italian State will find a legal way to put more money and.....

....your ticket is 100% safe. They will be here for long."

They have reached an agreement with all the staff already.  Laugh out loud
 
FlySSC
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:06 am

The "agreement" with the staff and the €400m will make them last until next spring.

If they don't change their commercial policy and if they don't drop FCO as a main HUB to concentrate on MXP, where the REAL business is, reducing staff and salaries will not save them and turn AZ into a profitable airline.

Concerning your question, Scf158, they will definitely be there around Christmas.
 
steman
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:45 am

FCO has already been dropped as main hub.
Almost all long haul flights are at MXP as well as most of european routes.
The problem is no longer FCO but Milan's second airport, Linate LIN, which should be closed to allow MXP to really become a hub.
As the situation is now, all of AZ competitors keep on stealing pax in LIN to transfer them to their respective hubs.

The new AZ direction seems the have already taken good measures to assure the airline a future and they are committed in turining it over to become a privatized, profitable and efficient airline....

Yes, they have a huge task to accomplish. I wish them luck.

As for some comments regarding the fleet...I wouldn't say that there are too many type ratings: MD-80s have already began to be disposed of, the main european fleet being composed by A319/320/321. The long haul fleet has already been simplified to just 767 and 777.

In the next few years more 777s and Embraer 170/190 will enter service.
Many more planes will be needed to replace the huge MD-80 fleet and to expand the long haul fleet. The latter, in its current situation of 13 B767s and 10 B777s, is not even enough for one hub operation

Ciao

Stefano
 
BestWestern
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RE: Is Alitalia Going To Be Around Much Longer?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:59 am

Alitalia will not go away, but will shrink compared to today.
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