Continental Airlines

Thu Mar 02, 2000 5:42 am

I heard that Continental Airlines is the only major airline to have a New York area hub....What about Delta at JFK? Also, I heard that Continental has the best services and the most nonstops from New York that true?
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RE: Continental Airlines

Thu Mar 02, 2000 7:10 am

That is FALSE. American has a large hub at JFK, Delta a large hub at JFK and a smaller one at LGA and US Airways at LGA. Continental's is most certainely the largest though.

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RE: Continental Airlines

Thu Mar 02, 2000 7:26 am

In a technical sense Continental IS the ONLY ariline to have a HUB in the New York area with its huge Newark operation. John F. Kennedy International Airport is a gateway city for AA and Delta as it the service of mainline AA and Delta consists of transcontinental service and European service. American Eagle AA's commuter service does have a HUB at JFK but Delta doesn't really have a hub there. At LGA the US Airways and Delta operation isn't really a HUB because there is nothing to connect to. Not very many people change planes at LGA since it is a O/D airport. Delta and US Airways do operate hourly Shuttles to LGA but again LGA isn't a HUB since HUBs are cities where there is a large bank of flights for connecting passengers. Continental's New York operation is the only operation that fits this definition.
AA's HUBS are:
DFW, MIA, ORD, SJU, and maybee LAX
Delta's HUBS are:
Continental's HUBS are:

RE: Continental Airlines

Thu Mar 02, 2000 7:54 am

DL and AA do not have "hubs" at JFK. They have international gateways, which rely for the most part on local New York traffic, and as such, have very little domestic service into JFK.
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Dont For Get Twa!

Thu Mar 02, 2000 8:18 am

Twa has a hub at jfk with the same amount of international services as domestic (IM leaving my self open for hell after saying that)
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RE: Continental Airlines

Thu Mar 02, 2000 8:22 am

As others have said....

AA does not have a hub at JFK. It is only a focus city and a gateway city at that. By the same token, LAX is not an AA hub either.
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RE: Continental Airlines

Thu Mar 02, 2000 9:04 am

I thought they did because of gates (each has 2 terminals). TWA does have its' second largest hub at JFK, as TWA747-100 said, which I forgot.

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RE: Continental Airlines

Thu Mar 02, 2000 10:25 am

The above posters are correct. AA doesn't have a hub at JFK. They do have a sizeable international and respectable domestic operation (mostly transcontinental) with some connectivity. Delta focuses more on European service than AA at JFK. AA has some service to Europe and some to South America from JFK. Delta's service to Latin America from JFK is nonexistent (but I think they go to MEX from JFK). However, out of EWR, CO flies to everywhere of any size in Europe and in Latin America (except EZE-which they plan to start soon). DL does go to more cities in Europe than CO however. But DL and CO both fly to some European destinations that the other doesn't. DL's domestic sevice out of JFK is very limited, it's mostly an international gateway. CO goes to all major domestic locations from EWR and more transcon than either UA or AA. They also go to NRT and HNL from EWR. CO is without a doubt the only carrier that has all the bases covered out of New York and possess extensive connections.They're planning on adding more cities in Europe the next couple years as well.

RE: Continental Airlines

Thu Mar 02, 2000 12:27 pm

AA does not yet have a hub at JFK, but the AMR corp. website does state that "New York" is a hub for American Airlines. Perhaps they consider operations out of all three New York area airports combined as a hub operation, I doubt it though. I beleive that AA is calling New York a hub in preparation for the opening of thire new terminal at JFK in about four years. This terminal will have upwards of 55 gates, therefore it seems almost certain that AA plans to establish JFK as a true hub once the new terminal is open. This new east coast hub at JFK will compete head-to-head with both CO at EWR and UA at IAD. So, it is only a matter of time before AA does have a true hub at JFK.
Delta does not have a hub at JFK. They have only limited mainline jet feeder service for their Atlantic gateway service and truboprop flights throughout the Northeast operated by Trans States. TWA is really no longer much of a factor at Kennedy.
I always wondered why no airline other than CO (which inherited their EWR hub when they bought out PeoplExpress) had a true hub in the largest city in the United States, but AA will have one soon. Any thoughts?

RE: Continental Airlines

Thu Mar 02, 2000 7:10 pm

*** This is very true... CO ... EWR hub operates very
well.. and the airport itself has had many improvments
*** just got infomation that CO however, has requested
new slots at JFK for service to IAH with contd
service to mexico and latin america .... as to take
increase their market share out of JFK to central
america. This will be interesting to see they are
are granted the slots and what equipment theywill
use. ? stay tune.
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RE: Continental Airlines

Fri Mar 03, 2000 12:04 pm

Yes, AA will open a large new terminal at JFK. But if you compare AA's and CO's presence in NYC now, AA will be extremely hardpressed to catch up with CO across the Hudson at EWR anytime soon. How could they? How soon and aggresively would AA start service from JFK to places like Greensboro, San Antonio, Salt Lake City, Sarasota, Minneapolis, Detroit, Cleveland, and so forth. All places CO is established from NYC. Besides it has been AA that has dropped routes out of JFK that CO has picked up. for example New York to Bogota, Brussels and Zurich. CO is opening a new international terminal at EWR and they have absolutely no intention of stopping their growth in EWR while AA is building their JFK facility. If CO is smart, they will build up at JFK, so then they can start transcon service out of both airports, like AA and UA already do. If they want to seriously be New York's "hometown airline" (which sounds so silly, even though they're the largest there), they need to expand at JFK.

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