LEARJET23
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How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:08 pm

Can anyone tell me about how many trans pacific flights are going on a average day? I fly 3-4 times a year to Asia, and have seen other planes visible as we cross the sea for NRT. Also had the flight crew come on the PA and say flights in front of us report chop, etc. Also, has a 747 ever not made it? I heard a story about one loosing all power and getting all re started while in a dive (?) any truth to this...
 
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:18 pm

Korean Air 008 (I think that's the right number) didn't make it. It was shot down by the Soviets en route from the US to Seoul.

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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:49 pm

>>>Also, has a 747 ever not made it? I heard a story about one loosing all power and getting all re started while in a dive (?) any truth to this...

I can't recall the particulars of flight #, date, etc., but a KLM 747-400 ran into some ash from an Alaskan volcano (Mt. Redoubt?) and I think lost power in all four engines. They got them restarted and landed (IIRC) in ANC. The aircraft had only recently (at the time) been delivered to KLM and the damage from the ash encounter was something like $70 million.

A British Airways once had a similar encounter, but that was much further east (Singapore area?).

To get a count on Transpac crossings, OAK ARTCC might be a source, either via their website, or via their PR/Public Affairs section via phone.
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 8:54 pm

Ual747

It was KE 007.

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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:08 pm

Yep, KE007 (note the coincidence of a flight accused of spying on the USSR being numbered 007). The British Airways flight (BA10 if memory serves) was en route from Kuala Lumpar to Perth when it ran into trouble over Indonesia. Can't think of any other flights that have had a serious problem on a Pacific crossing, just the odd incident such as that United 747 that hit rough air and a passenger who ignored the Fasten Seatbelt sign was killed (not by an angry hostie, I hasten to add).
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:13 pm

Here's the KLM incident, from 1989... Aircraft had just been delivered to KLM 3.5 months earlier...

23982 735 B747-406(M) CF6-80C2B1F 09/01/89 KLM (WESTRIBA TWO) PH-BFC

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1989/891215-1.htm

[Edited 2004-09-20 14:34:22]
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:22 pm

How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day? A lot. Here are the airlines serving Northern Pacific sector :-

Northwest
United
Continental
Delta
American

JAL
ANA
Korean
Asiana
Air China
China Eastern
China Southern
China Airlines
Eva Air
Cathay Pacific

Singapore Airlines
Philippine Airlines
Malaysia Airlines
Thai Airways

 
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:19 pm

For the Atlantic:

A year or 2 ago I heard on the Discovery Channel that every NIGHT 500 planes fly Europe - US and visa versa. They said that it were approximately 125.000 persons each night!

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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:49 pm

The list of carriers above doesn't include Air Canada. And are there not still trans-Pacific flights offered by Varig?
 
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:03 am

The incident Learjet refers to is the CI747SP which rolled after one engine stalled and the pilot disengaged the auto-pilot to restart. It flipped and dropped till the pilot was able to straightened it out at about 6000ft.
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:16 am

Sorry my mistake. Please add Air Canada and Varig to the list (any other i missed out?). I believe Varig still fly to NRT.
 
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:03 am

The incident Learjet refers to is the CI747SP which rolled after one engine stalled and the pilot disengaged the auto-pilot to restart.

The engine wasn't stalled; the pilot just thought it was. IIRC the auto-pilot was actually disengaged because of a turbulence encounter, which is why the pilot thought the engine was stalled in the first place - in turbulence, the auto-pilot will make abrupt power changes to compensate for variations in speed and the pilot thought one of the engines was not responding properly. (Engines are known to respond slowly at extremely high altitudes, and apparently this pilot wasn't used to flying at the cruising altitude of I believe 41,000 feet that they'd been assigned.)

When he disengaged the auto-pilot, he lost situational awareness and then didn't believe what his instruments were telling him (which was that the airplane was in the process of inverting). It was completely a case of pilot error.

Anyway, the plane landed at SFO, which was not that far off it's final destination, which again IIRC was LAX.

I hope I've got my details right as it's been a while since I've read this accident report, but I've read it several times.

Are flights that fly over the north pole and/or the Behring Sea really considered "trans-Pacific"? Because you don't actually cross the Pacific if you fly from, say, New York to Tokyo. Just curious.
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:53 am

Yeah that BA flight from Kuala Lumpur to Perth is really interesting. I had never heard about it before and stumbled across a program just a couple weeks ago about a plane that filled with smoke and shot out fire from the jets, etc. before the engines died and they almost had to ditch. very interesting. lucky they could get them restarted!
 
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:59 am

One could also add the other airlines that cross the Pacific, namely QF, NZ, LA and AR. I mention LA and AR because the original post did not expressly refer to North America to Asia flights but all trans-Pacific services.
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:09 pm

Cedarjet, the flight was BA009 - close!

The best book on it is "All Four Engines Have Failed" by Betty Tootell. She interviewed all the passengers, and they all have a say. Apart from that, it's covered in Air Disaster Vol. 2 by Macarthur Job. His 4 volumes on jet disasters are the best in the genre as far as I am concerned.

In addition to the list of airlines that fly the Pacific -

Hawaiian fly to Sydney
Continetal Micronesia fly to Cairns

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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:11 pm

Don't forget the cargo carriers such as likes of:
FedEx
UPS
Atlas
Polar
Gemini
Kalitta
LH
Cargolux
Nippon Cargo

When you say, trans-pac does it count Japan-Hawaii or Oceania-US/OZ/NZ? Then five more carriers come into account.

Hawaiian (HNL to SYD)
Air Pacific (LAX to NAN)
Air Tahiti Nui (LAX to PPT)
Corsair (California to PPT)
Air France (LAX to PPT)
 
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:20 pm

OK now for the new list...

1. North Pacific <-> South Pacific

Qantas
Air New Zealand
United Airlines
Air Canada
Air Pacific
Polynesian Airlines
Air France
Corsair
Air Tahiti Nui
Hawaiian Airlines

2. South Pacific <-> South Pacific (intercontinental)

Aerolineas Argentinas
LAN

{corrections welcomed}
 
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 1:40 pm

What about Hawaii to the US mainland? That's also transpac. The list would add Aloha, ATA, Omni, and Ryan International.
 
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RE: How Many Trans Pac Flights Per Day?

Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:55 pm

That's true too. But I guess it's only half-Trans Pac to Hawaii  Big grin Not quite there yet...

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