iowaman
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NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:42 am

One Daily Flight Begins Dec. 15

Minneapolis/St. Paul-Asheville service

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 3774* 6:52 p.m. 10:06 p.m. CRJ

Asheville-Minneapolis/St. Paul service

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 5624** 7:00 a.m. 8:20 a.m. CRJ

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040920/cgm041_1.html
 
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:55 am

Yay! I always love to see NW add service to MSP. As an MSP resident, I'm very happy. Keep adding flights NW @ MSP!

Jeremy
 
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:04 am

Had they already had DTW service or is this an entirely new station? Regardless, the number of destinations served from MSP continues to amaze me.

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iowaman
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:08 am

Had they already had DTW service or is this an entirely new station?

Northwest inaugurated service at Asheville in June with two daily flights to its WorldGateway hub at Detroit.

GO MSP!!!!
 
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:21 am

2+ hours in a CRJ... Yum

I love Asheville, but this flight will be miserable.
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ERJ170
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:21 am

Sweet.. now if Pinnacle would initiate DTW-EWN.. at least twice daily would be good.
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:39 am

3774?? That's a Detroit flight number... Sounds like a typo right there. MSP uses 5600 and 2800 numbers.
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iowaman
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:39 am

2+ hours in a CRJ... Yum

I love Asheville, but this flight will be miserable.


Wait until people start flying MSP to TUS! 3 hours and 40 min.

[Edited 2004-09-20 23:56:56]
 
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:42 am

ERJ170,
Are you serious? I could understand if you said ILM, but not EWN. Its not a big enough market to run even a crj to DTW.
 
iowaman
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:42 am

3774?? That's a Detroit flight number... Sounds like a typo right there. MSP uses 5600 and 2800 numbers.

I thought 3000-4000 numbers were XJ and 5000-6000 were Pinnacle. Must be a typo??
 
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:46 am

I think that DL Connection to ATL would be a more reasonable (though still not horribly likely) goal for EWN. ATL has many, many connection opportunities as well as a location which would not be out of the way for most itineraries- kind of like how CLT is now. Based strictly on the negligble O&D that exists, EWN might be able to sustain a ZW or MQ flight to ORD with some financial incentives from the city, but neither UA nor AA are really in the business of adding flights to cities that small and that far from Chicago.

Edit: Looks like FlyIBaby beat me to the punch by a few minutes, but I'm right with him.

[Edited 2004-09-20 23:47:53]

[Edited 2004-09-20 23:48:50]
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:47 am

We've got flights with 2800's which are pretty much MKE and a few MSP flights. 3700's have traditionallly been DTW hub flights.
4700's are LAN flights.
5600 are MSP.
5700 are MEM.
5800 are DTW.
5900's are MEM.
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:54 am

Very well then...

DLX to ATL and/or NYC.. or IDE to IAD... all 3 are locations that would be good for EWN.

But why I said DTW is because the thread was talking about NW and not MQ or DLX... the only other option would be MEM for NW.. but that seemed unlikely too!
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:02 am

Speaking about MSP-TUS in a CRJ, how will they be able to do that? Isn't that more than the range of the aircraft? I guess no full loads. Serverly weight restricted. Why not put a second A320 on that route.
 
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:23 am

This is great news for Asheville, but I can't help wonder why AVL gets so many new flights while Wilmington, NC doesn't. ILM and AVL have about the same O&D, ILM's actually slightly higher. Maybe yields are higher at AVL than ILM, though both are leisure destinations I would think. Here are the airlines and destinations for both airports.

Asheville:
Atlanta - Delta
Charlotte - US Airways
Cincinnati - Delta
Detroit - Northwest
Greenville/Spartanburg - US Airways
Houston - Continental
Minneapolis - Northwest
New York (LGA) - US Airways
Newark - Continental
Orlando - Delta
Raleigh/Durham - US Airways

Wilmington:
Atlanta - Delta
Charlotte - US Airways
New York (LGA) - US Airways
Washington (DCA) - US Airways (Sat only)
 
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:35 am

Good for Asheville and Northwest. Now only if they would start DTW-ICT service...
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:37 am

I don't believe that New Bern could support service to MSP myself, but they are very under-served. When Midway was in operation their flights to RDU ran at very nice capacities. For me personally, I can only remember one flight that I took to RDU from EWN that wasn't full and that was only because a husband and wife got off the flight before we departed the gate because she was having chest pains. The nice thing about Midway to RDU was that it forced US to bring down their ridiculously high prices to CLT. Now that they are the only game in town, prices are one again through the roof. Last time I checked a full-fare Y ticket was right at $700 - absolute air piracy. I agree that EWN could support ATL, WAS, and NYC among others. The new airport is really a true upgrade and they now have a 6000+ foot runway. New Bern is long overdue for new service on DL to ATL at the very least.
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AVL

Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:26 am

The Asheville area has lots of retires from up north, many with lots of $$. I have been flying out of the NY area to AVL for the past 10 years. I have traveled thru DC, Raleigh-Durham, ATL and others to get there. I jumped for joy when CO started their non-stop from EWR. Now NY has 3 flights a day (w/ LGA). The prices are not low, so I guess it's a money maker to offer nonstops.

[Edited 2004-09-21 02:29:30]
 
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:42 am

AVL to GSP is served by a little B1900 twice a day, with continuing service to RDU.

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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:45 am

My question is this.. if CLT-EWN is served by a Dash8-3, why couldn't they simply us a 50 seat RJ? Does anyone know the loads on the CLT-EWN route?
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:09 am

My question is this.. if CLT-EWN is served by a Dash8-3, why couldn't they simply us a 50 seat RJ? Does anyone know the loads on the CLT-EWN route?

Several reasons. US doesn't have enough RJs to go around yet, so some markets have to wait. There is no difference in seat capacity between a CRJ and a DH3, and on a short flight like that, there's no significant time savings or anything like that with the RJ. Also, the CRJ can have some weight restrictions on shorter flights that the DH3 doesn't have; I know that weight is an issue with OAJ, not sure about EWN. Introducing jet service at an airport that only has prop service can also be a regulatory hassle.
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:24 am

Ahhh.. okay.. EWN had jet service with Midway.. so I wouldn't think that it would be a problem.. but you bring up some good issues.. I'm pondering now.. ...pondering.... EWN has a 6000' runway.. can handle a RJ.. and they are building a safety zone also.. they get 737 in monthly for a casino charter..
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:30 am

3 hours on a CRJ should be considered cruel and unusual punishment! But it
is good to see AVL get more service that they can fall back on if US bite the
dust. Up until a few years ago US and DL were the only 2 carriers at AVL.
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RE: NW Announces MSP- Ashville N.C.

Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:39 am

I'll take 3 hours on a CRJ any day of the week over 5 hours on a connection, where I have doubled the risk that one of the flights is delayed, and I risk getting overnighted at my expense in an intermediate city. What do you expect, a 757 on the routes? It is fantastic how these little jets have opened up new routes, and most people could care less.

Good for Asheville, I think the reason it has better service than Wilmington is it does a terrific tourist trade, it's not served by a somewhat close low cost airport like RDU, it is tough to get to. I'm vacation their at thanksgiving, and I had a heck of a time getting a reasonable flight.

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