fuelhog
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More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:38 am

As a ramper for AA at D/fw I was wondering if anybody or possible AA 737 crews out there would know if were going to fly some new routes out of D/fw with the 737's.One in particular I don't understand why we don't fly is Seattle,given that these flights always go out oversold on the super-80's and plus the distance and some of the weight restrictions with the super-80's.Just wanting to know if anybody might have some information on this ,since I really enjoy working the 737's.
 
MAH4546
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:51 am

I have no info about 738 flying from DFW, but I do know that MIA will see an increase in 738 flying in early 2005. They are moving all the San Francsico-based 737-800 pilots to Miami.
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flyguy41
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:47 am

Same thing in ORD..moving all the 737 flying to MIA. I couldn't agree with you more on the S80s to the West Coast - waaaaay to long of a flight for the pax on that type, considering that most other carriers have at least IFE. Ord will be a LARGE S80 base, particularily now that the F100 is gone.
 
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:50 am

One of the DFW-MSY nonstops (the early morning departure) will be operated with a 738 in October.
 
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:52 am

I didn't think all 738's were leaving ORD?
 
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:13 pm

If I were running AA, every flight from ORD to SEA, PDX, SFO, SJC, LAX, SNA, SAN, TUS, PHX, LAS, YVR, and RNO would be a 737 or larger. The MD-80 has no in-flight entertainment, and the F/C galley isn't designed to handle the kind of food service that the 737s and 757s can.

The MD-80s were bought to fly 30 minute to 2 hour and 30 minute flights, and not 4+ hour flights to the West Coast from ORD and DFW.
 
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:18 pm

Trust me, the F/C galley on the AA 737 is no better than the S80..and in some ways worse. Same cart capacity (2 half carts, 3 full carts) and even less counter and storage space.

And more passengers.
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:22 pm

The MD-80's weren't really bought to operate flights up to just 2 and 1/2 hours. If that was the case, AA would have never started flying them from ORD to the West Coast. They have more then enough range, are pretty comfortable in coach (dare I say more so than the 738's), and are still efficient. As for the 80's lacking IFE, IFE doesn't make or break a routes success. If people were complaining left and right about AA's use of 80's on the longer haul segments, they would have done something about it.
 
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:10 pm

From a passenger's viewpoint, I prefer the MD80 to the 737 (any version) on any segment regardless if its 30 minutes or 4 hours 30 minutes. The MD80 is the main reason I fly AA. Same goes for the 717 and FL.
 
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 2:35 pm

Personally I prefer the 737-800 over the MD-80. Not because of IFE or room or Galleys, but because of noise riding comfort. As a regular coach flier I prefer quiet planes, and I am sorry the closer you get to the back of the MD-80 the louder the roar.

As for the 737-800s I think they are moving them to MIA because they are good for hopping around the Caribbean. They have great range and great cargo and easy to ETOPS. The MD-80 is better for covering terra without water under it. Also, domestic has less bulky cargo than MIA to Caribbean and South America.

Personally, I wish AA was in good enough shape to drop the F-100, MD-80 and replace them with 738-800s. However, that is a longer term project.
 
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:43 pm

AA assigns the MD-83 type for those longer flights from DFW & ORD. I know I was on a MD-83 from ORD to SEA after checking the books after the flight.
MD-83s have higher gross-weight versus the normal MD-82/81 and can do even transcon flights. During the latest downturn, some were assigned LAX-EWR at one time.

There were only a handful of original AA MD-83s but many of the ex-TWA ones are MD-83s. Conversely, some ex-TWA are also some of the oldest MD-80s around, plus some second-hand ships were assembled in Shanghai, China!

 
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:43 pm

Currently, AA does ORD-MEX-ORD with 738's. If all 737's are going to be moved from ORD to MIA, what aircraft will AA use for this route? I guess the choice is down to MD-80's or 752's.
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:08 am

I don't know if this is the right competitive move for AA... many of the LCCs operate new aircraft, like Air Tran's 717s and JetBlue's A320s, so I would think AA would want a newer aircraft like the 738 with IFE to better compete.
 
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:13 am

Personally, I wish AA was in good enough shape to drop the F-100, MD-80 and replace them with 738-800s. However, that is a longer term project.

AA is in pretty good shape. They flew their last Fokker flight two weeks ago. They are not replacing the M80s, because many of them are pretty young and still at their prime. They will be taking delivery of 738s and 772s in 2006.

Currently, AA does ORD-MEX-ORD with 738's. If all 737's are going to be moved from ORD to MIA, what aircraft will AA use for this route?

738s will still be flown out of O'Hare (and Dallas), it is just that 738 flying out of ORD and DFW will be significantly reduced as the 738s go to Miami, and M80 flying out of MIA will be significantly reduced as the M80s go to Dallas and O'Hare.
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:31 am

I don't see that much reduction in the 738's out of O'hare on the current AA schedule. Today's schedule has 47 738 departures a day, schedule 6 months from now has 42 738 departures a day. Mostly to LAX, SFO, SNA, BOS etc. Almost all of the ORD-LAX flights are 738's.
 
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:48 am

I don't see that much reduction in the 738's out of O'hare on the current AA schedule. Today's schedule has 47 738 departures a day, schedule 6 months from now has 42 738 departures a day. Mostly to LAX, SFO, SNA, BOS etc. Almost all of the ORD-LAX flights are 738's.

The new 738 flying schedule has not been uploaded yet.
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:55 am

"AA is in pretty good shape."

In comparison to who, DL? Yes, AA's in better shape than DL, UA, or US, but good is not the word for the shape AA is in. Any slight economic downturn could send AA into bankruptcy, that's NOT good shape. Send a LCC into DFW to set up a hub like FL has at ATL or F9 has in DEN, watch AA's profits dip. WN, B6, FL, that's good shape. Anyway, AA has a long way to go before they are in good shape. Remember the late '90s when DL made a $1.6 billion yearly profit and AA also had a yearly profit of over $1 billion. THAT'S good shape.

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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:01 am

Me personally, I avoid american because of the long flights with MD80s. I like the MD80, but I also like IFE and I'd rather fly on a carrier that offers it to the west coast--if I'm paying the same amount of money. 2 1/2 hours is about the max I'd like to spend in an aircraft without IFE--especially since alot of carriers are skimping on inflight service.
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:26 am

I have flown on AA from LAX-DFW and visa versa on the S80 and it is great in F/C may I add. But I would much rather be on the S80 than the 738. My personal opinion. But whenever going between ORD-DFW or LAX-DFW I try and look out for the 777 because that is a finaminal flight! With a business class that is considered coach but is in fact business + u don't have to pay extra for it. So In case you don't get upgraded it is nice.
 
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:32 am

If the aircraft doesn't have IFE.
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MAH4546
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:38 am

In comparison to who, DL?

In comparison to DL, UA, US, CO, and countless other airlines today. I'm not talking about the heydays of the 90s.

Not only did AA report a profit (although very small) in 3Q04, they have more cash in the bank ($4B+) than any other US major. They have been able to get their labour issues under control, and are not struggling with potential bankruptcy. And, if fuel costs show signs of going down again, they are on track to make a profit in FY05. Most airlines these days could only wish they were in AA's financial shape.
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:50 am

I was told by the assistant to the station manager at RNO that AA has approved a plan to replace the 738s at RNO with 752s. The move will coincide with the 738s moving to MIA. Currently, AA uses the old Reno Air hangar at the airport to perform overnight checks on the 738s. (B checks?) AA, probably with financial help from the airport, is going to expand the hangar to accomodate the 757, and similar checks will be performed on those aircraft there.

I was just checking the schedule at RNO in SABRE, and AA operates 3 daily 738s to both ORD and DFW. I thought they added a fourth, a red-eye, to DFW... maybe that just ended with the schedule change. It may have only been a summer thing. MAH, and ideas?
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:00 am

Yeah there is a thing called a book--but there is no compelling reason, for me, to fly on AA S80s in lieu of flights with IFE for the same fare. If the fare is cheaper on AA--then its story or sleep time.
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:39 am

Though this has been discussed in this thread and others, the company has made the official decision:

"AA announced today that it will concentrate Boeing 737 flying in the Miami hub and MD80 flying at the Chicago hub. The movement of 737s to Miami from Chicago and San Francisco/San Jose and MD80s to Chicago will begin Nov. 1 and will be completed in April. The company previously said it was considering such a plan based on results of the simplification test at ORD this summer."

This is from today's (23Sep04) Jetwire.
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:40 am

I think it would be cool to see an AA 737-800 at IND  Big grin
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RE: More AA 737 Routes From

Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:18 am

If AA's sister American Eagle believes it's okay to put 70 pax on a CRJ700 like sardines on a 2 hr. and 40 min flight (DFW-CLE or v.v.) then a S80 on DFW-SEA should come to no surprise for anyone.