airplaneboy
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Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:25 pm

Hi everyone.

An update on the deivery schedule for Frontier:

An A318 (ship number 807) will not arrive later this month as previously planned. An engine was damaged during a test flight in Hamburg and will need to be repaired before the aircraft is accepted. Ship 807 is not estimated to be accepted until at least a month after its original delivery date. Does anyone have photos or more information on the aircraft and the incident?

However, we will continue to take delivery of our 33rd A319- Ship number 934. Our employees have been notified of the following delivery schedule:


N934FR MSN 2287

Start Ground Checks: 22 September 2004
Acceptance Flight: 23 September 2004
Technical Acceptance Completion: 27 September 2004
Transfer of Title: 28 September 2004
Repositioning Flight to Phoenix: 29 September 2004

As usual, the aircraft will pass customs in Bangor, Maine and have post delivery modifications accomplished in Phoenix.

Happy flying and warm regards.

Cheers....

Travis/LAX Big grin

 
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:29 pm

Why would the Reposition flight be to PHX?
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:36 pm

AirplaneBoy:

Travis, this is 807 - before the problem:

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=247918

Jetmek, who posts here sometimes, knows more about the accident, but I think he has only just gone back to Hamburg.

UAXDXer:

All Frontier's aircrat are delivered to PHX and their first flight to DEN is a revenue flight.

It is a tax thing.

cheers

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airplaneboy
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Wed Sep 22, 2004 3:41 pm

Hi Mariner!

Thanks for the link....great plane!

It's unfortunate we're not gonna have her on time as this will disrupt our October flight schedule (particularly LAX's). We were planning our October schedule around having this additional aircraft.

How do you get information on those kinds of links? Thanks!

Travis
 
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:11 pm

Change of plans for a/c 934.....

Rather than going to PHX, it will come to MCI on Sep 29 at 1500 local for maintenance and quality control inspections. It will then operate the first revenue flight later in the evening.

 
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:20 pm

Hello Chaps,
Frntman, your correct. A/C 934 is leaving EDHI on 29Sep, arriving in MCI 1500-1530. It will clear customs there in MCI after a stop in Gander for fuel.

Regarding 807 (MSN 2276)...Film at eleven. There is no date right now for accepting the aircraft. Airbus and Frontier are in discussions on a remedy for the situation, and no guessing on how long that will take. Frontier's position is pretty well set in stone.
Stay tuned....

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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:02 am

Jetmek:

"Frontier's position is pretty well set in stone."

But what position would that be?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

AirplaneBoy:

The site is called: www.planepictures.net.

I haven't given a link to it, because at one stage there was some rivalry between this site and that one.

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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:48 am

Double top secret for now, Mariner!!  Smile
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:52 am

Why would the Reposition flight be to PHX?

Unfortunately, Denver has an incredibly silly "inventory tax". The first flight into DEN must have pax or cargo onboard to avoid this tax.

AirplaneBoy- Both engines on MSN 2276 (807) had FOD damage.
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:53 am

I'd guessed that, Jetmek!

So I'll guess again - there may - stress "may" - be a replacement aircraft provided for a period of time - short period, long period, I don't know.

And since there isn't a spare 318 lying around, it would have to be something else.

Just a guess.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:56 am

Actually we have the opportunity to short-term extend one of the 733's for a stop gap. It won't impact the flight schedules any, but it sure is frustrating! Sad
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:28 am

Thanks JetMek and Frntman for the clarification.

My curiosity about the delay of the aircraft stems from the employees being told that our STL nonstop will temporarily cease in Oct. "due to aircraft availability"--- whatever that may mean. We were also told that we will temporarily lose one daily DEN frequency (flight 407).

Any insight Frntman? If you want, feel free to e-mail me. I'll definitely ask my superiors more questions today.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Be safe....Warm regards....

Travis

[Edited 2004-09-22 21:32:10]
 
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:29 am

Travis-

You're right.....the LAX-STL non-stops will be temporarily suspended due to the aircraft incident in HAM. How long this will be is anyone's guess. There are a few other routes which will also be impacted due to the incident, but I haven't heard anything about the Boeing's used as replacements. If so, that's news to me.

There was a revised November 7th schedule which detailed all of the changes. I don't have access to it at the moment as my e-mail is acting up.

Also, I heard that MCI will be seeing some additional delivery flights in the near future. They'll be positioned by gate 14 and will be clearly visible from the concourse parked perpendicular to the airport. Great photo op!


 
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:25 pm

F9 is on their 33rd 319?
 
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:42 pm

Flyboy80---

Yup, it will be our 33rd A319. Registrations run from N901FR through N934FR (the newest ship coming in a few days). However, we do not have N911FR...I do not know if this is because of 9/11 or because the registration is already taken by another airline or party. The A318 that was damaged will become our 7th A318.

We also presently have several Boeing 737-300's that we are retiring by next year. Our A319/A318 deliveries are replacing the Boeings, and will also grow our fleet size next year. We will be an all A318/A319 operator next year.

I hope this helps.

Does anyone know how many A318's we have left on order? Our fleet plan shows 3 A318's coming, but then again- it also shows us as only receiving 4 318's this year. So perhaps some of our 318's came earlier than originally planned? Jetmek- I remember you and I discussed something similar a long time ago. Do you have any insight? Thanks.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:31 pm

AirplaneBoy:

N911FR:


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It isn't a commercial plane, but I don't think Frontier would have wanted the 911 registration anyway, in view of what happened.

As to the A318's, the total present order was for the 7 aircraft. There have been rumors of a further order for some more, but they are only rumors.

Frontier, in their latest SEC filing, said it was their intention to lease a further number of A319 and A318 aircaft, but they have not said that a deal has been made, and if any deal has been made since then, it has not been announced - so no one could talk about it even if it were true.

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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:00 pm

What modifications are done at PHX, and are they done by AMS (the company) at PHX ??? If so, NW has done DC10 work there
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:19 pm

AirplaneBoy...As of this moment I don't have any further A318's on my schedule. That is not to say that there won't be any in the future. My schedule only runs out to July 2005 right now.

Nwfltattendant... We install some special "Frontier" equipment in PHX and MCI. Stuff like the AED (de-fib machine), a super-duper emergency med kit, some Frontier only placards, wheelchairs, etc, etc. The work is done by Frontier techs.

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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:30 am

Here's some more additional news....

All future aircraft deliveries will go through MCI rather than PHX.

The reason being purely the savings on fuel.
 
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:45 am

All future aircraft deliveries will go through MCI rather than PHX.

The reason being purely the savings on fuel.


Why not just add Bangor to the system?
 
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:20 am

While personally I would love to see BGR added to our route system, but with only 23 daily passengers between DEN and BGR I think it's a bit down the list.  Big grin
 
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:26 am

Hi Frntman...

That makes sense. Just out of curiosity-- why MCI and not a station we serve further east? Are the landing/parking fees more economical at MCI than our eastern stations?

Thanks.

Travis/LAX
 
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:48 pm

The aircraft needs to land at a station that where we have our own maintenance personnel. This is for the placarding and installation of other F9 onboard equipment.

If we ever get a maintenance operation in a station on the east coast, you'll probably see the flights go there instead of MCI.

 
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RE: Frontier Aircraft Delivery Changes

Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:13 pm

Didn't F9 open up a new maintenance base at MCI? There was talk of a possible hub at MCI if negotiations between F9 and Denver over getting new gates broke down, but these have been shelved, although MCI has flights to DEN, LAX and CUN on F9.

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