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Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:17 pm

Air India's last three remaining Boeing 747-237B Classics have been removed from all scheduled international flights during the Winter 2004 schedule.

The aircraft will be retained as hot spares for the Boeing 747-337M Combis however and for Hajj charters as well as Delhi fog shuttles in December/January.

In the meanwhile though, the final planned scheduled international flights with these aircraft will occur in the upcoming weeks to Frankfurt, Tokyo and Bangkok - all in substitution for a Boeing 747-337M Combi that will be undergoing scheduled maintenance.

Frankfurt : The 742 will operate AI 165 of October 1 BOM-DEL-FRA arriving Frankfurt at 1130hrs and departing at 1400hrs.

Bangkok : The 742 will operate AI 302/305 of September 28 and October 5 BOM-DEL-BKK-NRT vv, arriving BKK at 2305 hrs through 0015 hrs on September 28/29 and October 5/6 and again 1610 hrs through 1720 hrs on September 29 and October 6.

Tokyo : The 742 will operate AI 302 of September 28 and October 5 BOM-DEL-BKK-NRT as well as AI 308 of October 2 BOM-DEL-NRT, in all cases arriving Tokyo at 0800hrs and departing at 1200hrs.

Spotters in these cities should keep an eye out for their likely last ever glimpse of these venerable workhorses.
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:44 pm

 Crying  Crying


I will miss them... why does AI actually retire them? OK, they are old, but doing well enough, he? too high operational costs? Is it better for AI to keep them for Haj etc. than selling them (I guess there must be a potential of buyers..)
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:16 pm

What aircraft will replace the 742s on the BKK, NRT, JED routes then?
 
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:13 am

What aircraft will replace the 742s on the BKK, NRT, JED routes then?

I thought the 742 is de facto already out of regular service and these routes are already served by 744s (NRT by 743), and the 742 is only used with high pax load  Confused
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:34 am

Too bad. You've gotta love the Emperor-named Classics.
 
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:44 am

Well, duh to me! Ignore my ignorance...
 
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:49 am

"Too bad. You've gotta love the Emperor-named Classics."

Beautiful planes both in and out. And very evocative of a certain time and place in all our lives.

However, for those of us who are feeling nostalgic, I am sure that AI has not retired the cabin crew who first flew on those 742s 33 years ago !
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:53 am

I am sure that AI has not retired the cabin crew who first flew on those 742s 33 years ago

Hey, be careful. That's my mom you are talking about!  Big grin

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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:57 am

Thanks for the photo, Sean.

Am I reading the date on that correctly--India Today, August 2004? Is there a good article on AI in that issue?

Interesting how the Emperor Shahjehan titles are placed below the windows in that photo....
 
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:15 am

However, for those of us who are feeling nostalgic, I am sure that AI has not retired the cabin crew who first flew on those 742s 33 years ago !

Jaysit, if you don't stop with these statements I will probably die due to heavy laughter..  Big thumbs up
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:47 am

*Delhi fog shuttles in December/January*

What does that mean??? Confused
 
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:59 am

Delhi fog shuttles in December/January

In Dec/Jan DEL often has major fog, thus causing flight cancellations.
Pax need to be accomodated across network and in/out of DEL thus the flights are called "fog shuttles" Big grin
But I don't think this is their official name by AI.

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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:00 am

Spdbrd, it means manna for those of us here in Bombay!

AI are based in BOM and almost all of their flights originate or terminate here. During most of the year, AI operate a number of their flights via Delhi and we end up with belief-defying routes such as BOM-DEL-SIN or BOM-DEL-DXB.

In the winter, the fog is very bad at DEL in the nights and mornings, so AI's flights skip the DEL stop. As a result, AI need to do a Delhi fog shuttle to get their DEL pax to and from BOM.
 
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:15 am

 Crying ohhh...I am going to miss those old birds when they finally do go. It was a AI 747 classic that gave me my first ride in the cockpit back in the day, sitting on my grandfathers lap, on the captains side. And heck, look at me now, training to become an airline pilot  Smile who would have thought.
btw what are the regs of the classics that are still flying with AI?
May they go to a better world, where the classics fly forever!
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:19 am

My Salam to the great PW JT9D-7Q, Powering these 742s  Crying, I started as a apprentice in AI working on these powerful SUCKERS, the best engines that I ever worked on, till date; atleast with regards to changing engines (I hold type Lic on CF6, CFM56, RB211, V25 & Trents). You could replace a JT9D in 2hrs flat ( crew of 6), provided the LMM signed your O/T for rest of the shift Big grin.......................Those were the days at Sahar.

Hey Guys correct me if I am wrong, the TAJ MAHAL windows and MUGHAL paintings on the side panels were introduced for the first time on the AI 742s.



 
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:20 am

Hi Guys,

As a kid I flew Bombay-Trichy (spelling ?) on a Air India 747 (SURE ON THIS FACT) which was continuing to Australia (?) as part of regularly scheduled service. This is the details i remember and it was Fall 1979.

My question: Could this have been on one of these birds?

thanks

It was a very nice crew.(friendly to a kids  Smile/happy/getting dizzy). It was my only flight on Air India....Then i took an Indian Airlines DC-3 (?) to CMB.

Would appreciate your input if these details on aircrafts make sense with the fleet.
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:06 pm

My question: Could this have been on one of these birds?

Possible... but t could have been another bird out of AI's fleet already! Interesting that Trichy has a 747 Runway..

IC DC-3?? Really. Not 732??
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:07 pm

I have always considered Air India as one of the most classic airlines with one of the most beautiful livery along with Thai International.Its a pity they are retiring the 747-200s.I am wondering does anyone have any pictures of the upper deck cabin on these classic aircrafts?Did they have a lounge instead of seats when they were first introduced??
 
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:13 pm

Sean,

That is an awesome pic!! got any more? and if you dont mind me asking, is your mom in that pic?

Everytime an airline retires a 747 classic, I feel sad. First JAL retires its classics on YVR-NRT-MEX routes and now this.

These classics started my love for aviation... just sad to see them go...

long live the 747 and its legend!

Mrniji,

Your suggestion about converting a retiring or retired 747 classic for VIP usage makes even more sense now  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:54 pm

The Air India lounge on the Upper deck of the 742s was fabulous. It had a little bar to the left of the spiral staircase. Ethnic chic to the max. I think the only other airline that had it beat was Pan Am in the mid to late 70s when it introduced upper deck restaurant style dining.
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:11 am

I sincerely hope it does not come in AI's mind to all of a sudden retire the fabulous A310!! I'd miss 'em too...  Big thumbs up
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:00 am

Boy, that delivery pic of VT-EBE looks great. It must have been a very exciting time for Air-India to take on new 747s.
 
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:36 am

Boy, that delivery pic of VT-EBE looks great. It must have been a very exciting time for Air-India when they took on the new 747s.
 
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Sun Sep 26, 2004 5:35 am

what are the regs of the classics that are still flying with AI?

Still airworthy are VT-EGA/EGB/EGC, plus VT-EFU is parked on the engineering ramps sans engines and is being cannibalized for spares.

That is an awesome pic!! got any more? and if you dont mind me asking, is your mom in that pic?

Thanks. Yes, my mother IS in the picture but in the interest of not exciting the horny teenagers here I won't be identifying which one she is.  Big grin Just remember, this was over 30 years ago!!!

As a kid I flew Bombay-Trichy (spelling ?) on a Air India 747 (SURE ON THIS FACT) which was continuing to Australia (?) as part of regularly scheduled service. This is the details i remember and it was Fall 1979. My question: Could this have been on one of these birds?

In 1979 the Australia flights routed from Bombay to Madras (not Trichy - AI has never flown there) and onward to Australia via Singapore. To be specific they routed BOM-MAA-SIN-PER-SYD-MEL-PER-SIN-MAA-BOM. Those were the days that AI used to maintain a crew base in Perth to cover the domestic Australian legs as well as the Singapore sectors.

And no, none of the aircraft still in the fleet were around in 1979. The oldest of them (VT-EGA) was delivered on December 23, 1979 and made her revenue service debut on January 1, 1980 on the Tokyo route.
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Sun Sep 26, 2004 6:19 am

Thank you for the post. Hopefully I can find a timetable of the last flights for my timetable collection.
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Sun Sep 26, 2004 11:47 am

Sean - did your mum serve with Colleen Jhabvala? She was this superglam stew for AI who was on all their ads. I remember attending her wedding as a kid in the late 70s or early 80s when she married some richie rich Bombay industrialist type. In any case, those were the days when the AI 742s were really "Palaces in the Sky."

And I remember the single airhostess who dressed up in Rajasthani style - usually serving First Class passengers in the lounge on the upper deck. I guess I have to thank my Dad's job for Esso Eastern at the time. They flew us in First all over the world. After he quit Esso, we flew in the back of the plane on Kuwait Airways, Aeroflot and other gems of the airline industry !
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RE: Air India Last Scheduled International 742 Flights

Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:48 am

I wrote this piece over 4 years ago when Shahjehan and Rajendra Chola were retired from the fleet, but it is just as applicable to the foursome of remaining Emperors.

A few days ago, my dad informed me that Air India's two oldest surviving 747-200s (VT-EBE : Emperor Shahjehan and VT-EBN : Emperor Rajendra Chola) had made their last flights to an aircraft graveyard.

As of July 19 2000, both these noble aircraft no more. For years I had dreaded this day, but now that their fate was no longer just a hypothetical future event, I burst into uncontrollable sobs on reading about their final demise.

To a plane-crazy child growing up in the 1980s, these aircraft were more than just flying machines. They became members of the family, their names being just as familiar to me as those of my cousins.

They symbolized a perfect mix between the exotic and the familiar. Whenever I felt homesick, I could look across a rain swept tarmac in Bangkok or Frankfurt or Nairobi and feel warm and fuzzy inside just watching them taxi around under the power of their huge JT9D engines.

They were present for many of what I then considered to be the major events in my life : my first flight alone, my first glass of champagne, my first ride on a jumpseat, my first experience of runway 13 at Kai-Tak, my first emergency landing. I experienced every emotion that a child knew of from aboard their seats.

They showed me the world and played a huge role in making me the person I am today. It hurts to think of them lying in rusty heaps of metal under the unforgiving tropical sun.

Farewell, my dear old friends. You will be sorely missed, but the millions of memories you have provided me shall live on forever. Even though you may never fly again, you will always soar through the clouds in my heart and in my dreams.
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