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7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:33 am

Two very interesting pieces:
- average order size is seen as only up to 15 frames, with one-digget numbers to be far more likely
- only about 100 7E7 sales till end of 2005 likely

=> it appears that Boeing has somewhat reduced its initial outlook, and appears to be quite jumpy on what Airbus might be planning to increase the competitiveness of the A330 - which isn´t so bad as many a.net members want us make to believe. Don´t forget, the ANZ order was a very close call for Boeing...

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/191815_boeingorders22.html?source=rss

Wednesday, September 22, 2004

Few big orders for 7E7 are expected
Boeing exec: 50 jets would be a shock

By DARRELL HASSLER
BLOOMBERG NEWS

The Boeing Co., which launched its new 7E7 model with a 50-plane
order from All Nippon Airways Co., expects most customers to buy
fewer than 15 of the planes.

"I'd be shocked to see another 50-plane order in the near-term
horizon," John Feren, vice president of sales for Boeing's 7E7, said
in an interview in Ottawa during the Aerospace Industries
Association of Canada annual meeting.

Boeing, which lost its lead in the jetliner industry to Airbus SAS
last year, intends to use the 200- to 300-seat 7E7 to replace its
767s and 757s and help the company regain market share. It believes
most orders will be similar to two by Air New Zealand Ltd. last
month or Vietnam Airlines Corp.'s commitment announced yesterday to
buy four.

Boeing, which had $22.4 billion in jetliner sales last year,
launched the twin-engine 7E7 with Tokyo-based ANA's order, and the
first delivery is scheduled for 2008. The jet competes against the
A330 model made by Toulouse, France-based Airbus, which is
considering whether to upgrade its aircraft to counter the 7E7. That
could prompt airlines to put off buying decisions until their
choices become clear, Feren said. "I wouldn't be surprised that
there is an element of (airlines) waiting to see what Airbus does.
To date Airbus hasn't been very public with what their plan is for
an A330 successor."

Boeing is talking with about 20 airlines regarding orders and Feren
said he would be disappointed if none were completed before the end
of this year. He said he expects that the company will have at least
100 orders by the end of 2005.
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 2:43 am

If only the airlines had money. Then we would be seeing "interesting" orders. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:27 am

here is an order to make everyone smile... well, maybe not everyone.

"Chinese airlines also are close to announcing a commitment for up to 80 7E7s."

http://www.atwonline.com/indexfull.cfm?newsid=4567
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:33 am

It's early yet, and as has been rightly said there isn't much investment money about.

The 7E7 will be in production for 20 years or so. That's a lot more time to sell them. Traditional launch customers in the USA aren't buying at the moment which is a problem now, but won't always be.
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:33 am

I'd be willing to bet NW is one of those airlines taking the wait and see approach in relation to Airbus's response. An upgraded 330 would make a lot more sense for them in terms of fleet commonality than the 7E7.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:06 am

I wonder if Airbus is getting jumpy with the 380. The orders on that front seem to have slowed to a trickle.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:09 am

Like previously pointed out, we are four years from delivery. If Boeing only had 200 at first flight that would be a good start for this program. Boeing's problem is that they need to stop their people dreaming up these sales figures, and then looking foolish. By doing what they did, they have pushed Airbus harder to compete.

It will sell, but at market requirements rate, not Boeings.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:19 am

The 7E7 program is in its infancy, and most carriers are in NO position to assume additional capital liability at present time, much less for a new fleet type.

Give it a couple years and wait for the industry to shake out. This would be a great thread to debate again in a few years.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:22 am

When will NW "retire" their DC'9s? When will NW "order" the 7E7? Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:28 am

An upgraded 330 would make a lot more sense for them in terms of fleet commonality than the 7E7.

True but if the 7E7 show much better operating costs that Boeing is promising (as well as improved economics over an improved 330) then I think they will order it over the 330 despite commonality.

Boeing's problem is that they need to stop their people dreaming up these sales figures, and then looking foolish.

Well it's not just Boeing but a lot of Wall Street analyst have been pumpimg their estimates of Boeing stock based on the analysts' converations with airlines vis a vis the 7E7. They're very bullish on the stock in part to the potential orders that the 7E7 is expected to get. Also Airbus is a little nervous about the 7E7 and the orders it can generate. Airbus talks to the same airlines and these airlines are probably telling them the 7E7 story and how they're probably leaning towards ordering the jet. Thus Airbus feels that they need to start developing a competitor to the 7E7 before it's too late. There's been a lot hesitantcy on part of airlines to order the 7E7 because they want to se what Airbus can produce.

I think that if Airbus said that they weren't going to develop an answer to the 7E7 then Boeing would be seeing more orders.
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:56 am

The success of a model is measured by the number of units sold on the day it finishes production, not launch orders.

Nobody can say the DC-9 wasn't a success, but look how many orders that had when the prototype first flew.

None.

This whole 7E7 debate is pointless, and until ten years down the road when it's in service and the A330/767s flying today are all just about ready for the boneyard any kind of forecast is futile.

It's a tough time to be launching a new product, but Boeing has no choice than to modernise its lineup of offerings. The sales will happen, just not in the harsh market of today.
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:13 am

"Boeing's problem is that they need to stop their people dreaming up these sales figures, and then looking foolish"

Boeing is/was telling a willing public the airline interest was overwelming, forecasting large orders by year end (buy now, or you might be too late), see how scared Airbus is, creating a magic admosphere around the 7e7 with low price settings & big fuel use reductions.

Airlines however are not the big public. They don´t believe until they see & cannot afford to fall for artist impression & expensive media campaigns.

There will almost certain be delays, weight increases, certification issues, integration complications etc, just like any new airliner, and probably a good deal of them (considering the new technology)

I see the 7e7 as a brave attempt of Boeing to regain a part of the middle of the market. But it won´t be an easy victory with a miracle plane as much of the public has become to believe.



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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:21 am

Nobody can say the DC-9 wasn't a success, but look how many orders that had when the prototype first flew.

Cue Greg.....

According to him, the DC-9/MD-80 series never made a dime for McD. This is because the way they accounted for the development costs (Assigned a portion to each frame) and the way that they aggressively discounted. This despite 2200+ frames, the 3rd best selling airliner of all time.
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:30 am

I seem to remember that the B747 was launched on the basis of order for 25.

The rest is history.

The market in 2004 is irrelevant, even if airlines wanted 10,000, they can not have one until at least 2008.

The problem with long term forecasts is that they are generally wrong.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:37 am

Well lets look at the 7E7's order history-

1. SQ delayed its decision on a regional/short-haul widebody fleet. This would have been several dozen aircraft.
2. The China airlines group was rumored to place an order for at least 50 in August, this order never materialized.

Had these orders been booked, Boeing could be standing at around ~130. Vietnam might place an order for 10-15, putting Boeing at around ~150. This makes me think there were two other carriers or one major order that never made the press.

There is the interest for 200 7E7s in one year, but Boeing likely jumped the gun between interest and order.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:23 am

Statement: An upgraded 330 would make a lot more sense for them in terms of fleet commonality than the 7E7."

Response: True but if the 7E7 show much better operating costs that Boeing is promising (as well as improved economics over an improved 330) then I think they will order it over the 330 despite commonality.

Agreed. Commonality is nice, but it really isn't the sacred cow it is made out to be and is just one component of cost savings. NW appears to be in better shape than their other legacy brethren (with the notable exception of CO), and fleet commonality hasn't exactly been one of NW's hallmarks.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:25 am

Oh... and we even got though SEVEN (!!!!) whole posts before the term "DC9" came up!! Congratulations!! The therapy seems to be helping!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:28 am

When only a few foreign airlines are the only ones whom can buy any aircraft and USA co's are too broke to buy/place orders for the forseeable future, then the expections were set too high. Such a/c may not be selling as expected as many 2 engined a/c, even ones 20+ years old are still very servicable and not obsolete. This isn't like the 50's to 70's where changes in a/c were very quick to become obsolete. Most larger (100+ pax) passanger aircraft in use today are not functionally obsolete. The 767 and A300 series a/c's are quite comparatable to the 7E7 in terms of capacity and probably not far more in their fuel use. Many of the older frames have already atmoritized their original purchase costs, and maintenance is probably still cheaper than buying a new a/c. There are many 767's in fleets today with a number in dessert storage and available for far less and more quickly delivered than a 7E7. Several years from now, when older 767's, A300's start to reach the enonomical feasable use life end and in need of major and expensive rebuilds, then the 7E7 will be ready. Let us hope that in a few more years there will be a better situation for all airlines.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:10 am

Personally I have faith that this aircraft will sell well. It is relatively early. Obviously there are investers for the 7E7, but it's not even being built yet (is it off the drawing board completely?) I'm sure that once the ball really gets going, the orders will pour in. Compare, for example the number of 777's on order when UA launched it in '95 to how many were ordered over the next year or two. I think this plane will do well for big airlines with core 757-767 fleets. Obviously ANA and other Asian airlines will use it for their domestic services and lighter international destinations, and eventually it will grow into US fleets (My guess is AA, UA (if they get their act together) CO, NW: all with heavy 757 fleets. Like it was said earlier, the US market is not into launching A/C at this time. I also think that the 7E7 will sell well in the Asian and South American markets (as they seem to be big Boeing buyers) whereas Europe will not invest in it as much (as opposed to airbus). It will get going! (I hope because its a beautiful aircraft)
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:40 am

Wait until DL gets out of the hole, and their 757/767 fleet gets old, then that will be an order!
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:56 am


I think many airlines are quite rightly waiting to pitch the 7e7 against what Airbus will offer in the form of an upgraded A330. Once the details are clear they will be in a better position to make a sound judgement on which aircraft suits them best.

The apparent 'disappointment' in 7e7 sales is not indicative of the designs future, as it is largely based on the assumed claim that they would in fact have told 200 by the end of the year. Given that the likelihood of this is declining by the day and that an exponential bananza of sudden large orders before 31st December is very far fetched, we can only establish from this discussion that Boeing's hype and airline interest has generated a greater magnitude of response from Airbus, which in turn has somewhat delayed a number of potential orders for the 7e7.

I very much hope and believe that the 7e7 will indeed be successful, although its proclaimed magnificent game-changing attributes will not result in anything other than a long-term steady trickle of small and medium sized new and repeat orders. Over time we can expect many to be built, but I suppose how many is also subject to the quality and appeal of the currently unknown Airbus response to this challenge.
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:47 pm

As someone stated earlier, I believe when the airlines get more money, orders for the 7E7 will skyrocket. AA, CO, UA, and DL (If the latter two survive), and NW, are all very likely 7E7 customers. It is much too early to judge the 7E7...it has not even entered service yet.
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:06 pm

As with the current thread about Boeing's Stonecipher declaring the A380 "a failure", I take issue with the seeming intent of the poster to create flamebait. The wildly optimistic 7E7 order estimates by analysts inside and outside of Boeing should have been discouraged but weren't, owing to their publicity value. That strategy often backfires when reality prevails. There's still a fair shot at 100 orders (not all yet firm) by the end of THIS year, not necessarily the end of 2005, just NOT 200 orders as had been earlier and rather recklessly predicted. Of course, some potentials ARE holding out for more information on Airbus's move and this greatly helps stall 7E7 sales as Airbus hopes. However, "To date Airbus hasn't been very public with what their plan is for
an A330 successor" isn't a game Airbus can keep up indefinitely. They haven't been 'very public' because they aren't yet sure, themselves. If they hedge for too long, fence-sitting prospects will get impatient and walk over to Boeing. This happened with the aborted 747X, when airlines found Boeing somewhat cagey about providing detailed information about it. This helped to prevent possible launch customers from having enough confidence to place orders. It could happen here, as well, if Airbus doesn't soon provide very specific details on what exactly will be their response to the 7E7 will be. The recently dubbed, "A350", had better be a good deal more than a reworked A330-200 (the 747X wasn't an awful lot more than an enlarged -400 with a heavily modified wing) to actually hold onto customers in this market segment.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:22 pm

I do not think FT meant to create flamebait necessarily. Fair question.

Boeing faces possible civil liability if their numbers were stretched too far out of whack. I would be surprised if they risked a lawsuit or several just for the PR value.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:35 pm

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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:01 pm

I recomend that every one re-read LTBEWR´s Post No. 17... and then factor in the inevitable airline consolidations that will be happening around the time the 7E7 enters service (there are already a few threads on the topic... the AF/KLM "merger", LH saying there will only be 3 major European airlines, AZ "dead", BA selling Qantas stake to perhaps increase their IB position... and I don´t have to expand on all the threads about the US market...)

With fewer airlines, there will be a lot of "surplus" late model aircraft in the 7E7 range that will be parked due to the rationalization of airline fleets, in addition to the ones that LTBEWR pointed out. Furthermore, with fewer airlines and competition, the demand will be for slightly larger aircraft than the 7E7 on many routes now flown by the 767 and A330 in order carry the same, and/or growing, number of passengers.

With so much industry uncertainty over the next 5 years, coupled with lack lustre financial results, it is no wonder why airlines are not rushing to order the 7E7.
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:56 pm

Is the sentiment here is that Boeing are about five years too early with the 7e7 launch if the Main 7e7 capacity needers (North American airlines) players cant afford new aircraft??

One wonders what Airbus can come up with just in time for the cyclical upturn in the industry (2008-ish???).. Basically means having a replacement on the sales table by the end of 2006....

In a similar vain, The A380 and A345 are also being launched in the wrong place in the sales cycle. The 380 only has larger orders as it is a new business sector, with many orders being "look at me ive got an A380" - similar to the 747 smaller african country orders. Expect every African flag carrier airline with French connections to order one or two... Its a matter of national pride.
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:21 pm

I said it before and Im going to say it again.

Firstly, i think the 7e7 looks like a good airplane, that will be comfortable, and have improved features like windows and humidity. I am in no way against it.

We can summize the difficulties the 7e7 is facing:

* Fuel savings. Boeing claims the 7e7 will be 20% more fuel efficient than competiting aircraft. That obviously means, than the A332. So lets do some maths.

lets say fuel is 20% of my operating expenses (about typical). Now lets say I have a 25% fuel saving (even bigger than boeings claim...lets just give them the benifit of the doubt and say they outperform themselves) A 25% saving in 20%(the fuel component) of my overall operating costs translates in to a saving of only about 1.5% of overall operating costs.

Given that, I doubt anybody is going to rush out and write off a comittment to A330-200s if they already have them. It wouldn't be economical, as an increase in leasing costs, accelerating decpreciation, crew training and all that would far outway this small saving. (so forget about that NW/KL order. Anyway, AF are the ones really in charge of this order and they've already purchased the A332)

* ideal 767 replacement. true... for those carriers such as united and DL that haven't already begain this process. This process is basically complete now for the European carriers and the A330-300 is very popular in asia. An A332 would thus be a very easy and low cost addition to their fleets.

* poor financial health of US airlines. These guys are the ideal customers for the 7e7, but, they're not going to be purchasing any real soon. Plus you can pick up perfectly good 767s say mid nineties build pretty cheaply. Also, many have already mad a big committment to 777s which are serving them well. If a few companies go under, then increased capacity will be needed and no doubt 767 routes will become 777 routes. (think AA's 767s from NYC to CDG). CO, has new and very good 767s, and probably won't retire such young aircraft anytime in the next 3 or 4 years.

* the ultra long verson may allow new routes to open up, but how many city pairs actually require it? It is a sales point for allowing such flexability, but much like the A340-500 and the newer 777-200LR, their isn't going to be that much demand for the long range version. Most of those cities pairs can be served by existing aircraft already flying. So the bulk of 7e7 orders would be used for shorter exisiting flights. (ie...under 9 hrs)

So really what we have here is a 767 replacement. It will be a good new efficient plane.... but not the magicial thing ppl are expecting and certainly those fuel savings alone aren't going to be enough to "revolutionise" operating expenses. Infact, a cheap lease on an A330 may completely swallow the cost savings. Good luck to them.... but i think their main problem here is going to be timing. Maybe if several US majors go under and say Jetblue starts international service from JFK, they would be an ideal candidate? Something like that is going to be required. Still, the mightly 757 took its time getting going, not because there was anything wrong with it... it was just too early.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:04 pm

It is too early for anyone to be spelling out a gloomy picture for the 7E7. Remember A380 announcements have picked up from a very slow beginning. The 7E7 has generated tremendous enthusiasm from the airlines. I wish I could find the article now, but I remember reading around Farnborough time that many airlines had purchased delivery slots for the 7E7. It further announced that this was an indication of strong interest in the airplane, but that airlines were simply not able to make purchase options at the moment due to the financial difficulties troubling the industry at the moment. I personally believe the 7E7 will do very well.

PS: I've never been educated on the legal terms that differentiate the purchase of "delivery slots" from "orders," but sales of delivery slots have gone well.
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:12 pm

Boeing dit avoir reçu des acomptes pour 200 exemplaires du 7E7


BERLIN, 23 septembre (Reuters) - Boeing < BOEING CO > a reçu des acomptes pour 200 exemplaires de son nouvel appareil, le 7E7, outre 52 commandes déjà connues, déclare le directeur général du constructeur aéronautique Harry Stonecipher dans un entretien au magazine Stern de jeudi.

"Nous l'avons présenté il y a tout juste cinq mois et, aujourd'hui, nous avons 52 commandes en carnet. Nous avons des acomptes pour 200 autres. Le 7E7 est déjà notre innovation qui a connu le plus de succès de tous les temps", a déclaré Stonecipher.

"Nous avons un certain nombre de commandes de très grandes compagnies aériennes, que des noms connus. Nous les présenterons toutes d'ici la fin de l'année, l'une après l'autre", a déclaré le patron de Boeing avant une conférence qu'il doit tenir dans la journée à Berlin.

Sorry that's in french but basically indicates that Boeing have received accounts for 200 7E7 Aircraft,from which 52 are firm orders and the remaining units and customers will be revealed before the end of the year.



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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:32 pm

here is an order to make everyone smile... well, maybe not everyone.

"Chinese airlines also are close to announcing a commitment for up to 80 7E7s."

http://www.atwonline.com/indexfull.cfm?newsid=4567


Holy cow...80 airframes would be great. I wonder though how many will be firm orders and how many will be options.



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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:37 pm

UPDATE 1-Boeing says has up to 200 down payments for 7E7
Thu Sep 23, 2004 08:05 AM ET
(Adds more quotes, background)

BERLIN, Sept 23 (Reuters) - Boeing (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) has received downpayments for up to 200 of its new 7E7 planes in addition to the known 52 orders it has gained, Chief Executive Harry Stonecipher said in an interview published on Thursday.

"We presented it just five months ago -- and today there are 52 orders in our books. We have down payments for up to 200 more. The 7E7 already is our most successful new development of all time," Stonecipher told Germany's Stern magazine.

"We have a number of orders from very large airlines, all known names. We will present them all by the end of the year, one after the other," he said prior to a news conference later on Thursday in Berlin.

Stonecipher was set to meet Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, Transport Minister Manfred Stolpe and other government officials in the German capital, a company spokesman said.

Analysts have been unsure about the success of the 7E7 Dreamliner plane at the list price of $120 million apiece, which is routinely discounted. Downpayments are refundable.

Stonecipher reiterated that a 1992 pact between the United States and the European Union should be abolished. The pact limits subsidies for the Airbus, co-owned by European aerospace company EADS (EAD.PA: Quote, Profile, Research) and Britain's BAE Systems (BA.L: Quote, Profile, Research) , and Boeing.

"This treaty has got to go. We don't need that anymore. Nobody needs help from the government," he said.

Boeing estimates Airbus has received about $15 billion in government "launch aid" loans since 1967, conferring about $40 billion in subsidy benefits because of easy repayment terms.

Boeing has also received support from Washington state and Japan to develop its new 300-seat 7E7 aircraft, slated to debut in 2008.
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:54 pm

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deposits for 252 7E7s  Smile
 
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:30 pm

gordon bethune of CO says that he loves the 7e7 and that CO would be a customer under better circumstances
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:49 pm

Like the current A380 thread with Stonecipher´s comments, which remind me of the reaction of an offended child, this thread about the 7E7 in danger of not being sold in numbers is just propaganda. There are more than 1000 767s, 757s, early 777s, early A330s and a whole bunch of A300-600s and A310s to be replaced over the next 10 years.
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:28 am

Boeing Has Up To 200 7E7 Down Payments
http://news.airwise.com/stories/2004/09/1095937895.html
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RE: 7E7 Not Selling As Expected?

Fri Sep 24, 2004 2:00 am

Are we sure this thread wasn't started by KEESJE or Solnabo as FUD?
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' -Theodore Roosevelt