PanAm747
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HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:38 am

Howdy all!!

I had a similar thread, but didn't title it very excitingly...I'll try again.

Does anyone have any load factor figures on HP Express and CO Express flights to/from Bakersfield (BFL)? I am curious as to whether United Express is losing business. The new UA E-timetable lists only two EM2 flights BFL-SFO, and a four or five EM2 flights BFL-LAX.

Also, is there any report on progress of the new BFL terminal? I saw the website, but construction is in very nebulous terms (no details at all). It sounds impressive - http://www.meadowsfield.com - but is there a planned opening day? I would love to time a visit to my parents to arrive at the old terminal and then depart from the new!!

How about any additional flights? With the renaissance of SLC, OO could easily fly BFL-SLC. United Express might be able to do BFL-DEN, and I know the city would be thrilled to have BFL-DFW back on American Eagle. Any news?

You can take the boy out of Bakersfield, but I guess you can't take the BFL out of the boy. I will always have affection for that underserved airport Big grin
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Cory6188
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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:12 am

I read a while back on here that IAH-BFL on COEx was performing better than expected and that they were considering making it a 735, but I haven't heard otherwise. However, it still remains an ERJ, so I guess the route wasn't strong enough to warrant a larger aircraft. I'm sure that Iahcsr or Artsyman can provide you with more details.
 
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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:32 am

There were a couple of newspaper articles a few weeks ago.

First, the BFL-IAH service is said to be exceeding expectations, but no specifics. A quote from the article was "It's one of our most successful new services," said Continental spokesman Rahsaan Johnson. "The level of traffic that we're seeing has been far beyond our expectations every week since day one."
http://www.bakersfield.com/local/story/4924018p-4980854c.html

The new BFL terminal itself has hit a couple of snags that have pushed back the opening. There was a problem back in May with some of the steelwork. That delayed things a month or two.

The more recent delay was the discovery of a design flaw that had to be corrected. The plans for the terminal called for a subfloor that has turned out to be about 6 inches too short for the electrical, plumbing, and duct work. Additionally the roof wasn't designed for the proper thickness in insulation. Both problems are being corrected but they have added another delay.

Current projection is an opening in Sept or Oct 2005.
http://www.bakersfield.com/local/story/4924019p-4980855c.html

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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:30 am

I dont have exact numbers on the YV PHX-BFL load factors,I'm sure I could try to get them at work next week. I do know that the BFL flights are almost always booked to capacity, and often oversold. Right now I believe we have 4 BFL runs a day.
 
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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:26 am

CO's BFL flights are very successful in terms of loads. I am 100% certain of this. Don't know about the yield though. Remember, Bakersfield received a grant to lure CO to the market. So CO has received support and incentive to start this route.

Yes, I remember the post about CO may put a 735 on the route, I wouldn't be surprised. The fact they have yet to do so means little considering the route hasn't been around that long relatively speaking. We might see another RJ flight before mainline is added.
 
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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:58 am

Thanks guys!! I appreciate all the responses!! Now I've got more questions than I did before... Big grin

Is YV considering upgrading the CRJ-200's to a larger RJ? If the flights are so chronically oversold, wouldn't that justify larger aircraft? Of course, considering Mesa's position right now, I don't know if that would be possible.

I am also curious now as to what percent of COEx's BFL-IAH passengers are O&D and how many are connecting to other flights. And is there any jet with capacity between the EMB-145 and the 737-500?

I also wonder if BFL is actively recruiting other airlines or lobbying for expansion of service?

Thanks again to all!!
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warszawa
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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:55 pm

Basic Load Factors:

[ Dates are for Departure - September 24th, Return, September 25th ]

America West Express:

PHX-BFL, AWE6334 = 48% Load Factor
PHX-BFL, AWE6338 = 96% Load Factor
PHX-BFL, AWE6336 = 100% Load Factor
PHX-BFL, AWE6332 = 90% Load Factor

BFL-PHX, AWE6115 = 96% Load Factor
BFL-PHX, AWE6333 = 31% Load Factor
BFL-PHX, AWE6320 = 96% Load Factor

Those were the only ones i was able to get... at least for those dates.

Continental:

IAH-BFL, COA3466 = 87% Load Factor
IAH-BFL, COA2239 = 91% Load Factor

BFL-IAH, COA2748 = 85% Load Factor
BFL-IAH, COA2780 = 85% Load Factor

As far as UAX, well, there are so many flights it'd take me forever to lookup & calculate, but i looked at some of them, and generally the LAX-BFL, BFL-LAX are similar to America West, where one flight might be 50%, the next was 100%, the next maybe 83%, and so on. It seems there were no flights below 50% on any of the LAX-BFL, BFL-LAX runs.

SFO-BFL, BFL-SFO, same thing, one flight, maybe 95%, the next, 65%, etc. Hit & Miss.

Hope that helps
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warszawa
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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:00 pm

" And is there any jet with capacity between the EMB-145 and the 737-500? "

Nope, not in Continentals fleet. The 737-500 is the next step up from the EMB-145... Unless, in the future maybe, if continental decided to acquire the ERJ-170/190, it'd fit the niche between the ERJ-145 and the 737-500, which would be perfect for this route.

I'm surprised they're only running 2 flights both ways, with the loads they're getting, 3 or 4 flights could yield a substantial profit most likely.
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klwright69
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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Thu Sep 23, 2004 1:13 pm

I would guess that CO is counting on connecting traffic in IAH. If O&D traffic were substantial enough to sustain the route alone, they would have an evening flight from BFL to IAH. But, they don't. Instead they have an early morning flight and a noontime flight, clearly so they can connect in IAH.
 
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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:50 pm

Well, my g/f is moving to Fresno as of 1 November, and since CO doesn't have any direct stuff from IAH to FAT (no, the AAEagle codeshare via LAX does not count), odds are I will start flying the IAH-BFL flight and driving up to Fresno before too much longer. Soooooo, tack one more person onto the load factor.
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FATFlyer
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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:56 am

IAH-FAT is still rumored to be on a short list to start in the next year. Be sure to let COEx know you'd use the service if they start it.  Big grin
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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:29 am

Wonder if IAHCSR is reading this forum.  Big grin
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klwright69
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RE: HP & CO Load Factors To/from BFL

Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:17 am

OK, now when is CO express going to start IAH-BURBANK???? Anyone???