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A380... Already The Most Famous?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:58 pm

Just look at the topics on A.net, almost every other topic is regarding the A380!!!

So however you dont like it or think its a disaster its already the most famous aircraft here on the forums  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:22 pm

Just look at the topics on A.net, almost every other topic is regarding the A380!!!

So why did you add another one?
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:49 pm

Because he fails to see the real world outside the shpere of Airliners.net. Ask anyone random person around you if they've heard of A380...a person not affiliated with any internet aviation site, or anything aviation related. You won't like the response N754PR.

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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:58 pm

Ofcourse it's famous among enthusiasts, but ask Joe on the street what an A380 is and they won't have a clue. In general, Boeing jet's are more well known than Airbus planes, the 747 (along with Concorde) was the most recognisable and famous aircraft in the world. But that is not to say the A380 won't become as famous. The A380's arrival will mark another milestone in aviation, it will receive huge media coverage when it's officialy rolled out and thus people around the world will be aware of the largest passenger jet in the world.

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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:57 am

Because he fails to see the real world outside the shpere of Airliners.net. Ask anyone random person around you if they've heard of A380...a person not affiliated with any internet aviation site, or anything aviation related.

This is so true, I ask some one if they knew about the A380 and they had no clue at all. I even asked the person if they knew what Airbus was, you guess it, no clue at all. Maybe its because Boeing loves the plublisity and that's a way Airbus should get their word out.
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:01 am

Maybe its because Boeing loves the plublisity and that's a way Airbus should get their word out.

Why?

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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Mon Sep 27, 2004 1:06 am

I think the A380 is analogus to the LCC scene in the U.S.

Just about everyone knows who Southwest Airlines is, they pioneered the LCC business model that has been copied and modified all over the world. B6 might be popular in their region, but outside the cities they serve, they have no where near the "name brand" that WN has. Same with Colca Cola... I know people who call anything in a can (that isn't beer) a Coke. "Hey grab me a coke," "no problem.... Dr. Pepper or Coke?"

Boeing became a household name with the 707 and 747, I don't see that happening with Airbus and the A380. It's big... been there done that.
 
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:57 am

The A380 is a commanding aircraft...but not a revolutionary one as readily admitted to even by Airbus (14% of it's reputted 18% CASM improvement over the 744 is due to capacity increase). I expect it will become a huge success in the coming years.

But, it will never generate the type of worldwide buzz that the 747 created--only ten years into the jet age. The 747 sparked the term JumboJet...and the numbers 7-4-7 meant only one thing: HUGE. The 380, while 30% larger...is not the 250% increase that the 747 had over its predessor.

Sure, the 380 has a lot of posts....as will the 7e7....and all subsequent mainstream aircraft.

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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:14 am

Until now the A380 isn´t the most famous but the most interesting.
 
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:31 am

Greg:

" - only ten years into the jet age."

Hmmm?

The first flight of the Comet was in July 1949. The first flight of the 747 was in February 1969.

Even if you use the dates of introduction into commercial service, there is still an 18 year difference.

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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:42 pm

Actually you may have to take it back to the mid to late 1930's with the Me262.

The way I see us going sonic in a transport 20 years after Yeager frist broke the barrier, technically we should have gone hypersonic by 1981, which would be the Space Shuttle. It's still a transport, though the shuttle is just a space freighter.

Do the math, the infamous Aurora spyplane will both retire and be relvealed in 2012 and we'll have another bunch of 'things' by 2023 that should be better than A380 and 787. I'll bet one is sonic.
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:35 pm

"Boeing jet's are more well known than Airbus planes" - somehow Boeing is the only known to a general public at all, even Douglas was not known ("Douglas? A French one?" - I was asked this in 1996) despite being a real leader at least until mid-50's.

"the 747 (along with Concorde) was the most recognisable and famous aircraft in the world." - I'd say, Concorde is way more well known than 747. And, yes, besides these two, no other airliner is known to a general public. I think, 380 has a good chance to become No3, even as, obviously, "it will never generate the type of worldwide buzz that the 747 created". 7E7? - hardly, "too conventional"...
 
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:11 pm

Mariner, and others!
I guess that he meant one that would fly! The Comet was a horrible failure and could have hurt the Jet as a whole if there would have been news coverage like there is today. Not until the 707 was the world really into the "Jet Age"
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:17 pm

"Most famous??"...................hasn't left the ground yet!

When it sells like..........the 737 or even 727..................then we can call it that!!!

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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:23 pm

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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:44 pm

""Boeing jet's are more well known than Airbus planes" - somehow Boeing is the only known to a general public at all"

Probably in America but not in Europe!
 
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:57 pm

Google Hits:
Boeing 747 : 315.000
Airbus A-380 : 88.500
Airbus A380 : 69.500
Boeing 7e7 : 48.800
Boeing 707 : 87.200
Boeing 777: 159.000

Gues that makes it a clear win for the 747!
 
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:10 pm

The 707 made it's first commercial flight in 59/59.
The 747 in 69/70.
Roughly ten years...not 18.
The original Comet? A tragic jet that should not have had it provisional titles changed to commercial. Anyway, it carried, what, 50 passengers? British pride, aside, it was instantly outclassed by the 707....largely considered to be the aircraft that heralded the jet age for the world.

If you want to split hairs, that's ok. I'll stand by my original comments.
 
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:51 pm

Dear Maddy,

this has nothing to do with America/Europe (the person that asked me about Douglas to be French was Russian speaking new immigrant, BTW). In car industry everyone knows Mercedes, Ford, Toyota. Or Honda, Volvo, Chevrolet. In aircraft industry everyone that knows any manufacturer at all, knows Boeing. Nothing even close for Douglas, Airbus, Lockheed. This is what it is, nothing to do with real role these manufacturers play in the industry. As for A380 to be "most famous" in this forum - why not? The largest passenger aircraft ever, already in metal... and we are not just general public, are we?  Smile

"The 707 made it's first commercial flight in 59/59.
The 747 in 69/70.
Roughly ten years...not 18"
- hmm... The first jet passenger flight took place on May 2nd, 1952. The second jetliner entered service in 1956 (yes, Tu104... hope this won't start another "Russian aircraft aren't any good" nonsense here). The first one across the Atlantic was, again, Comet 4. Now, if this all is not a "jet age" then, well...

 
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:07 pm

Gues that makes it a clear win for the 747!
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sorry , but according to google the winner is the boeing 737 with 332.000

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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:34 pm

The A380 creates a lot of interest because of its size.Thats all.
Maybe after it starts flying & sells well,The tag of Most Famous could be given Not Now.
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:44 pm

@ RIX
At least here in Germany Airbus is also well known and Boeing has no marketing advantage. 172.000 German Google hits for Airbus and 147.000 German Google hits for Boeing.
The most known aircraft is of course the 747 "Jumbojet".

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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:01 am

At the risk of turning this into a B vs DH thread, it should be pointed out that the lessons learned from the fatigue issues on the Comet were invaluable to Boeing and the development of the 707. In fact, deHavilland made all the data from their investigations widely available. The Comet IV was a fine aircraft that gave many years service, and pioneered jet travel between North America and Europe.

Take the Comet out of the picture, and you might have seen a few 707s explode from stress cracks around the windows. I wonder if Boeing would have been so generous with the results of its research.

And try not to forget that one of the reasons the Brits led the US in the development of commercial jet airliners lay in the fact that British engine technology was well ahead of the US at the time. Until the early 50s, most US jet engines were improved knock-offs of Rolls Royce technology. General Electric's "first" jet engine was a licence-built RR product.

Bottom line -- if you're going to tout the 707, and not the Comet, as the first successful jet airliner, then it's time to yank away the Wright Brothers standing as first in the air. The Wrights may have been first, but the Europeans quickly vaulted ahead from a technological standpoint and America didn't begin to recapture the lead until the 1940s.
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:19 am

Pelican,

Well, I am not talking about marketing advantage, ... - I just mean that if a person knows Airbus, Lockheed, ..., then he/she definitely knows Boeing. No way the opposite - I'm pretty sure, even in Germany (may be wrong, of course... but, indeed, can't imagine anyone that can name some aircraft manufacturers won't know Boeing - again, this is what it is, has totally nothing to do with "which is better" and so on... I'd even say, "pretty not fair" but still, this is what it is - somehow Boeing is uniquely famous, unlike car manufacturers from my example in the above post). As for 747 to be the most famous - I know (and there were posts here) about some other aircraft being called 747, or just "any jet is 747", ..., ... - but, I think, much less "general people" would make same mistake about Concorde. Even here, in the US, where 747 "supposed to be" the most famous.
 
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:42 am

I think the real question is: Famous to whom? Just because doesn't make it so.

If to us here on the forums, any number of random polls will do the trick. Some care for stats, others care for other stats.

If it is to the world, then it would be the one or two that people can identify. They don't care for stats. And since they outweigh us, the winner takes all. Big grin

Besides, we have to consider perceptive bias here: If you really like something, it is famous TO YOU. If you hate something or don't see the point of it, you will not understand why some people give a damn, i.e. infamous.
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:48 am

Some comments about the DH Comet airliner on this thread are really out of line.

The Comet was an extremely fine airliner. The Comet I had its problem which resulted in two very bad, fatal crashes. Sadly the Comet was not alone (DC-10 baggage doors). And we are talking about an era when also the all new Lockheed Electras fell apart in the air.

The later Comets, especially the various Comet 4 versions, gave sterling service for many years. Not so much in America as in the rest of the world.

The military Comet, the Nimrod, is currently being upgraded to Mk 4 version with new center wing box, new engines and a lot more. It is likely that the last Nimrod variant may still fly a hundred years after the first Comet went to the air. That will be a few decades after the last B707 variant (KC-/EC-135, E-3, E-6, E-8 and such) has been converted into beer cans.

By that time the last Comet successor, the VC-10, will also be long time gone.

What other airliner design can you imagine in year 2049 to have given 100 years of service? There will of course still be DC-3s around, but only flying for the fun of it.
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RE: A380... Already The Most Famous?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:48 am

Google Hits:
Boeing 747 : 315.000
Airbus A-380 : 88.500
Airbus A380 : 69.500
Boeing 7e7 : 48.800
Boeing 707 : 87.200
Boeing 777: 159.000

Gues that makes it a clear win for the 747!

You can hardly compare the A380 and the 747 because the was 747 launched in the 1960s and the A380 hasn't even been fully made yet.
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