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Vasp Cancelling Flights

Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:17 am

VASP employees stop working for 24 hours two days ago because their August salaries haven't been paid yet. Although they came back to work yesterday after a meeting with VASP's CEO - Wagner Canhedo, many flights were canceled today.

Old airplanes, high fuel prices, and a bad administration are the main responsible issues for putting a traditional Brazilian airline in this situation. What a sad end.

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RE: Vasp Canceling Flights

Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:22 am

Its about time that crook went out of business.
Too bad he will not be affected as he must keep all the millions of dollars he stole from his same airline in some bank in Miami or who knows.

I really feel sad for all those employees who gave all their time for Vasp.

JP
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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:42 pm

Additionaly, yesterday the Brazilian Civial Aviation Department grounded 6 Boeing 727-200s from VASP due to lack of maintenance.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/dinheiro/ult91u89278.shtml
(sorry guys, but it is only in portuguese)

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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:49 pm

Maybe Tito Asbun, actual CEO of LB, should take over VP! The present administration of VP is really disastrous.
 
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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:56 pm

I made about 7 weeks ago my last flight with VASP. I made 12 flight with them in July/august, all 737-200s and on all these flights almost every seat was occupied. They seem to do very good business with no costs for new planes and full flights. All crew and pax said they fully trusted VASP's maintains. But nobody could explain why VASP does only fly with those crazy old planes. (However it was nice to fly with them.) Why is VASP running so bad?

Johannes
 
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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:06 pm

JCS,

VP problem has a name: Wagner Canhedo - the company CEO.

This guy is corrupt, a type of person that is not in jail because he knows many politicians in Brazil.

Sometimes I have the impression he is creating this situation only to force the government to give him "new" money, what actually would be used only to increase his personal fortune.
 
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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:20 pm

Here is a clicklable link for the story of the grounding of the six VASP jets.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/dinheiro/ult91u89278.shtml

VASP has only 31 aircraft. With six jets grounded, that is 20% of its fleet out of the skies. Add to that labor disputes, billions of dolars in unpaid taxes, awful credit rating and incompetend and crooked management. Is this the beginning of the end for VASP?

[Edited 2004-09-24 12:25:09]
 
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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:49 am

VASP in Brazil = Inter in Colombia.

Though at a much smaller scale, Inter is also a badly managed, cash-strappend and debt run airline. Sorry to hear that VASP is in such situation.
 
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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:59 am

Man,
when VASP has Ecuatoriana, the planes basically flew on the hands of God.
The maintenance log book of the planes looked like a phone book. Full of yellow pages with pending repairs.

The service was atrocious and they treated the employees like slaves.

I wonder what happened to that 4 legged animal Rodolfo.
Even Frank Lorenzo would have done a better job than him.
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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:59 pm

What a story. Corporate crime.

@Airplane; I want to say VASP's service was very well in their planes and on the ground. I flew GRU - MAO with 4 hours delay because of technical problems. But VASP did give us a dinner. It was ok. We couldn't land in MAO and flew to Belem. We had again 15 hours delay, but... we did have a taxi to the city-center and a good hotel. Stupid story, but they could have let me wait at the airport. And do all those free restaurants/taxis/hotels for pax explain the financial problems also a little bit? (lol)

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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:31 pm

The 727s belong to VP's cargo division "VASPEX", and are all freighters.

Despite countless potentially serious incidents invloving VASP aircraft, and the loss of six 737-200s in 35 years, a lot of people continue to compliment VASP on their maintenance. Last year, a former VASP pilot now flying for GOL (newer aircraft and higher salaries) defended VASP's maintenance when I questioned it, although search the database and you can find pictures of VASP aircraft with smoky engines or APUs, hydraulic failures and what have you, all fairly recent, so the truth about VASP's safety must lie somewhere in the middle.
As to why VASP operates such an antiquated fleet (bar 4 737-300s), the reason is the usual: the 737-200s and A300B2s are PAID for. It wasn't out of choice that VASP had to return all their MD-11s to the leasing companies...

Regards,

ZXV

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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:23 am

I sat between Porto Velho/Rio Branco/Manaus near a lady-frequent flyer who said that VASP has THE BEST maintenance in South-America. She was doing business in travel-industry.

Johannes
 
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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:26 am

Johannes,

I worked for VP during some months and there is no doubt they have one of the best maintenances in Latin America.

However, their problem nowadays is lack of money to buy materials.

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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:12 am

...VASP has THE BEST maintenance in South-America. She was doing business in travel-industry.

I worked for VP during some months and there is no doubt they have one of the best maintenances in Latin America.


Could that be why Lloyd Aéreo Boliviano's maintenance is reputed to be another one of the "best" in South America? Or can VASP take no credit?

Aerolíneas, LAN and Varig also some of the best maintenance in the region, with impeccable safety records to show for it (touch wood!). The only unanswered question is why do VASP suffer from so many potentially serious "technical problems", particularly related to high engine temperatures?

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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:17 am

But nobody could explain why VASP does only fly with those crazy old planes

It's simple: back in the 1900's they leased a bunch of planes to expand their service and simply didn't pay . As result , they have no credit to buy anything, and nobody wants to invest in this company because of the CEO's bad reputation. They are operating the oldest 727-200 fleet in the world, delivered back in 1969 and early 70's and have no plans for any new acquisitions in the near future. (If they survive, which is very improbable)
 
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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:34 am

They are operating the oldest 727-200 fleet in the world, delivered back in 1969 and early 70's...

Not true. Air Mediterranée of France operates 737-200s of 1968-build, as do "Nuevo Continente" in Peru, while Air Philippines continues to operate the 6th 737 ever built, dating from 1967. And in fact, most of VASP's 737-200s are not even impressively old, compared with some of those of Aerolíneas, LAN, SKY and Southern Winds...
All this assuming you meant 737-200s and not 727s as you wrote, erroneously I presume. What is true is that some of VASP's 737-200s are the longest serving 737s with a single operator, since some have flown for VASP uninterrupted since 1969.

Regards,

ZXV

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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:35 am

Thanks ZXV, I meant 737-200, but still very old planes.
 
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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:32 pm

And very MANY old planes.

PP-SMA (1969)

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PP-SMQ?

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RE: Vasp Cancelling Flights

Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:04 am

To clarify, VASP operate:

6 x 1969-build 737-200s (PP-SMA, SMC, SMQ, SMR, SMS, SMT)
1 x 1969-build 737-200(F) (PP-SMB) -Freighter
1 x 1970-build 737-200C (PP-SMW) -Freighter
1 x 1972-build 737-200Adv. (PP-SMF)
3 x 1973-build 737-200Adv. (PP-SMG, SMH, SMP)
2 x 1974-build 737-200Adv. (PP-SMU, SMZ)
1 x 1975-build 727-200(F)Adv. (PP-SFC) -Freighter
3 x 1975-build 737-200Adv. (PP-SNA, SNB, SPF)
2 x 1978-build 737-200Adv (PP-SPG, SPI)
2 x 1979-build 737-200Adv. (PP-SFI, SPH)
2 x 1980-build 727-200(F)Adv. (PP-SFG, SFQ) -Freighter
3 x 1982-build A300B2-200 (PP-SNL, SNM, SNN)
1 x 1988-build 737-300 (PP-SFJ)
2 x 1991-build 737-300 (PP-SOT, SOU)
1 x 1995-build 737-300 (PP-SFN)

TOTAL: 31
Average Age: 27.2 years old (!)


Regards,

ZXV

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