FFlyer
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Finnair Didn't Make A Big Arms Bust Public!

Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:30 am

Last February, a very big arms shipment of AK-47's and ammunition was found in Helsinki during the cargo transfer. This whole issue became public only now on 9/24. The AY communications wanted to keep to security breach secrect, but in the end didn't succeed. The weapons arrived to Helsinki, Finland on a Finnair flight with a transfer to a Far East AY destination. As an internal department of the the Finnish government, Finnair is responsible for its own security at all of the airports it is operating. Therefore the responsibility of the breach is considered to be only on AY.

So, why was this kept in complete secrecy? For the samreason why the other AY mishaps are kept secret as well. There was a AY MD-11 "smoke in cabin" emergency diversion on Thursday, and there were no press info from AY. This being a MD-11 with a dark history of "smoke-in-the-cabin". Finnair starts to resemble a kind of governmental department, that "never makes mistakes" - and never tells you about those.
 
Joni
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RE: Finnair Didn't Make A Big Arms Bust Public!

Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:58 pm


At least I heard of the "smoke in cabin" incident from the press, so ostensibly there was information.

I don't know what you mean by "internal government department", but Finnair is a publicly traded company listed on the HEX stock exchange.

I also noted there was a delay between the arms haul and the fact being made public. I surmised that the affair was kept under wraps for some time to allow the police to better conduct investigations, as is often done.

 
killjoy
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RE: Finnair Didn't Make A Big Arms Bust Public!

Sun Sep 26, 2004 2:05 am

What the hell are you talking about? First of all, the MD-11 smoke was later discovered to have come from a broken bearing in an air conditioning fan. Not exactly a major safety problem.

Second, there most certainly was a press release: http://193.65.156.92/investor/sijoittaja_8_2_1.html?&Id=1095946684.html

Finnair is also not a part of the Finnish government, and I fail to see why they should issue press releases about catching arms shipments while the investigation is still going on.
 
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RE: Finnair Didn't Make A Big Arms Bust Public!

Sun Sep 26, 2004 3:03 am

Smoke in the cabin and other emergency situations are a common occurence amongst airlines ( i work for Londons emergency services) i dont think any airline openly announces such maters.
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FinnWings
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RE: Finnair Didn't Make A Big Arms Bust Public!

Sun Sep 26, 2004 7:11 pm

FFlyer,

Sorry, but you have missed the point here. Firstly, I fail to see where was the security breach you mentioned? All airlines carry guns and ammos as a freight on board, so this was just a normal cargo shipment from Amsterdam to Singapore via Helsinki. However, someone forgot to announce to the Finnish customs of this shipment as they should and therefore it was an illegal transfer which is investigated.

As an internal department of the the Finnish government, Finnair is responsible for its own security at all of the airports it is operating. Therefore the responsibility of the breach is considered to be only on AY.

Thanks of the good laugh! Finnair is publicly traded company and not an internal department of the Finnish government. The government holds only half of the AY stocks. Finnair is NOT responsible of the security at the airports like not other airlines in the Europe either.

There was a AY MD-11 "smoke in cabin" emergency diversion on Thursday, and there were no press info from AY.

There was a press release, like Killjoy stated above. There was also a press release on their internet site immediately after diverting. AY is known of very open minded press policy, meaning that they always make a press release even of the smallest incidents or other abnormal activities.

Next time before you make such a conclusions, please check the facts, thank you.

Best Regards,
FinnWings


 
backfire
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RE: Finnair Didn't Make A Big Arms Bust Public!

Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:04 pm

Some of you people seem to think that a company has an obligation to fire off a press release whenever something happens. Even if it does, you'd be naive to assume it's telling you the truth.

If relaying news was that easy, the journalists who are employed to give you the real story - not some airline-spun bull - would rapidly find themselves out of a job.
 
FinnWings
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RE: Finnair Didn't Make A Big Arms Bust Public!

Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:01 pm

Backfire,

I don't suppose that press releases are 100% reliable sources of information. I'm quite familiar with marketing and accountant practises so I really understand the actual meaning of quarter results or press releases and what "hidden messages" might be involved in those.

However, your comment about journalists could be argued as well. It would be naive to believe that media is "neutral" and stating only facts. Every newspaper or news channel has their own views and are more or less dependant of the political side which they unofficially represents. We still have some quite reliable news sources which are close to neutral (like BBC in your country) but a lot of the media nowadays is more or less inaccurate. Just look like a Fox news channel in the US for example, it is more like a propaganda channel of the Republicans than independent news channel.

When I said that AY has open-minded press policy I said it because I know that is true. I personally have so many different sources in the company and industry that I would most likely know if they were cheating. There is a lot of airlines who will not make press releases of negative things (like incidents) and that is only a sign of poor culture in the company, but luckliy AY isn't one of those. Some LCCs falls in this category, which isn't a surprise.

Best Regards,
FinnWings
 
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RE: Finnair Didn't Make A Big Arms Bust Public!

Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:53 pm

FFlyer is a known "AY-basher", but this posting is even below FFliar's standards. "Internal department of the Finnish government" (that's a good one!), "Finnair is responsible (...) for security at all airports it is operating", "no press info from AY".

FFlyer shows his ignorance here, he (or she) obviously does not know much about how airlines in general perform their operations, and clearly even less about Finnair.

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