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Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:55 am

One year left of grad school then I'm out to see the world. Was looking at RtW tickets...has anyone bought one of these and done it before? If so, what carrier were you on and what are the restrictions. I haven't done much research on this, still have a year of class and need to pass the bar. Can you fly into any continent? Do you alway have to fly one direction...East or West?
Any comments?

Cheers,
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:29 am

Good luck with the last year of grad school. I have done RTW trips often
( next one next week). The best way is to work through an Alliance like STAR or oneworld. I use Star Alliance and thus have loads of airlines to chose from. The way it works is this. On Star you choose First, Business or economy. There are several layers of travel by miles - 25,000, 37,000. etc. You pay the price of the class of service and layer of miles. You can go for one year, but not less then ten days. You have to make at least three international stops. You must keep going in the same direction. It is less money to start your trip from Canada then USA.

I believe oneworld you pay by the number of continents you will be stopping on.

It is a great trip. Enjoy!
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:32 am

Actually SkyTeam has a pretty interesting one also. Check out http://www.skyteam.com

It wont load anymore, but Concorde Tours or somthing is chartering a NW 744 I think in May to try and break the world record. website was http://www.over-both-poles.com
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:42 am

I do no think any Skyteam partners fly to Australia? And that is one place not to miss on a RTW.

[Edited 2004-09-26 22:43:23]
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:54 am

Continental flies to Cairns, Australia
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:00 am

But isn't that through Microneasia? A long flight if going from/to US. No major aircraft, longhaul. If you want to island hop it is OK.
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:01 am

TonyBurr, in more specific terms, how does the booking process work? After you give them your RTW city pairs, do they then provide you with the best times according to "their system" or do you pretty much have freedom to choose times and carriers as you please?

Also, have you ever flown a RTW by redeeming miles? Do the same rules apply?
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:02 am

Its through CO Micronesia, which is CO. Its direct from Guam to Cairns with a 737-800.
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:06 am

I would suggest deciding when you want to depart, an idea of your itinerary, approximate dates. You cannot change the departure date/flight once you book. You can change the others ( for a fee) afterwards or enroute, as long as you stay in the correct direction and do not go above the mileage level.

When you have some idea call a Star Alliance or oneworld carrier ( UA, BA, AA,AC) and give them your itinerary. You can chose flights/carriers as long as there is availability. It can be fun mixing all different airlines.

I have not done it redeeming miles. I think you can on Star.
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:12 am

KE flies SEL-SYD. oneworld Explorers are one of the best RTWs IMHO. Basic run-down of conditions:
- 1 year maximum stay
- total of 20 flights allowed (a direct flight with multiple stops = 1 flight)
- pricing is based on number of zones visited which roughly follow continental lines (North and Central America / South America / Europe and Middle-East / Africa / Asia / SW Pacific) - this is unlike many RTWs which are priced based on distance.
- you are allowed to back-track within each continent, but not when travelling between continents
- except in certain circumstances, you can only visit each continental zone once
- you are able to use any flight operated by a oneworld carrier with a oneworld carrier flight number as long as there is availability in the relevant booking class - "L" class for most carriers. EG you can book a BA flight using the AA flight number to yield more AAdvantage miles, but could not book a LX flight using the AA flight number because LX is not in oneworld.
- you are allowed 6 flights within North and Central America and 4 flights in all other continental zones, but never more than 20 for the whole ticket.
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:17 am

BTW with regards to oneworld Explorer RTWs, once ticketed, you can not change the date of the first international flight (presumably because this flight determines what season you are travelling in and whether you pay the low season etc price). However, following this flight, you can change the date and flight for free as long as the city pairs remain the same. Rerouting costs USD$75.

Check out these very useful sites on RTWs:
http://members.shaw.ca/fewmiles/oneworld/
and
http://www.informationlab.com/rtw.htm
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:58 pm

I called AA and they have a number you can call specifically for RTW tickets and information. You travel by continents on One World...according to the AA customer rep that I spoke with.

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RE: Round The World Flights...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:45 pm

It's quite easy. I am going around-the-world with OneWorld next year.

Economy is $A2500 approximately.

From Sydney, I am going to Hong Kong, then to Tokyo and then back to Hong Kong. This is using two of the four flight segments I can use.

From Hong Kong, I am going to London, then Amsterdam, Dublin, Berlin, London. This uses all of my four flight segments. The restriction I came across in Asia is that you can't use OneWorld to fly Hong Kong to Ho Chi Minh City (Saigon) on Cathay Pacific, even though they fly there. I was told I'd have to go to Bangkok and then to Ho Chi Minh City.

In North America (which includes Central America and the Caribbean) you have six segments. Only one trans-continental USA to use, and there is a special restriction regarding Hawaii.

Therefore, I am going to Antigua in the Caribbean, San Juan, New York, Orlando, San Francisco, Dallas and then to Vancouver.

As I am living in Dublin for 10 months, then Vancouver for 12 months, I won't use my return Los Angeles to Sydney flight (I'd have to pay to get to LA anyway, as I'd be out of segments).

That is the 4 continents journey and all for $A2500. Business Class is $A9100. It's cheaper on Star Alliance, but I imagine that's related to product.

The thing you need to do is visit the OneWorld alliance carrier web sites. You have to be able to take a OneWorld carrier between two points, hence why I am going from London to Antigua on BA, Antigua to San Juan on American Eagle, then San Juan to New York on American. If the airlines don't fly between two points, you can't fly on the ticket between those points.

Additionally, the tickets last 12 months with no extensions, and nor can you upgrade for any segment of the journey by paying extra. Any unused segments are lost and non-refundable.

Finally, you earn points as normal on all your flights - no half points or any of that like you usually would with discount tickets.

Calling your OneWorld home carrier and telling them the itinerary you want will be easiest, but do the research on your cities and what not beforehand. Also be careful - I asked a travel agent and they told me I couldn't do some of the things I wanted to do, because they were reading their screens incorrectly.

Hope this helps!

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RE: Round The World Flights...

Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:00 am

$2500 A? Isn't the US dollar stronger than the Aussie dollar? So would I have a cheaper ticket?

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RE: Round The World Flights...

Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:54 am

I am currently traveling on my second Oneworld Explorer ticket. Allow me to reccomend purusing the Oneworld Forum on Flyertalk. Plenty of info and tips for planning these trips.

I do my Oneworld Explorers in First Class and originate in the country offering the best exhcnage rate relative to the U.S. Dollar that is easily accessible from the United States. In 2002, it was Sweden. In 2004 it was Egypt.

My 2002 RTW was not limited by the 20 segment rule and involved 5 continents (fare basis AONE5). Like you propose, I did it after finishing grad (law in my case) school. This was my routing:

Stockholm - London -- British Airways J Class
London - Dubai -- British Airways F Class
Dubai - London -- British Airways F Class
[surface segment London - Frankfurt]
Frankfurt - Dallas -- American F Class
Dallas - Santiago -- American F Class
Santiago - Easter Island -- Lan Chile J Class
Easter Island - Santiago -- Lan Chile J Class
Santiago - Los Angeles -- Lan Chile F Class
Los Angeles - Chicago -- American F Class
Chicago - Seattle -- American F Class
Seattle - Chicago -- American F Class
Chicago - San Fran -- American F Class
San Fran - Chicago -- American F Class
[surface segment Chicago - New York]
New York - San Fran -- American F Class
San Fran - Hong Kong -- Cathay Pacific F Class
Hong Kong - Osaka -- Cathay Pacific F Class
Osaka - Hong Kong -- Cathay Pacific F Class
Hong Kong - Denpasar -- Cathay Pacific J Class
Denpasar - Hong Kong -- Cathay Pacific J Class
Hong Kong - Bangkok -- Cathay Pacific F Class
Bangkok - Sydney -- Qantas F Class
Sydney - Ayers Rock -- Qantas J Class
Ayers Rock - Perth -- Qantas J Class
Perth - Sydney -- Qantas J Class
Sydney - Auckland -- Lan Chile F Class
Auckland - Hong Kong -- Cathay Pacific F Class
Hong Kong - London -- Cathay Pacific F Class
London - Stockholm -- British Airways J Class

This year, I am doing another AONE5, ex-Cairo. This is what I have done so far:

Cairo - London -- British Airways F Class
London - Frankfurt -- British Airways J Class
Frankfurt - Dallas -- American F Class
Dallas - New York -- American F Class
New York - Barbados -- American J Class
Barbados - New York -- American J Class
New York - Austin -- American F Class
Austin - New York -- American F Class
New York - Los Angeles -- American F Class
Los Angeles - Santiago -- Lan Chile F Class
Santiago - Rio -- Lan Chile F Class
Rio - Santiago -- Lan Chile F Class
Santiago - New York -- Lan Chile F Class
New York - Hong Kong -- Cathay Pacific F Class
Hong Kong - Tokyo -- Cathay Pacific F Class

In October/November, I will finish the ticket, routing:

Tokyo - Hong Kong -- Cathay Pacific F Class
Hong Kong - Singapore -- Cathay Pacfic F Class
Singapore - Sydney -- British Airways F Class
Sydney - London -- Qantas F Class

In January, I will end the ticket by flying:

London - Dubai -- British Airways F Class
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:50 am

I would recommend the Star ticket over One's. More carriers, more choice, more flexibility. Especially when you want to see Europe or Asia. Only if you want to see a lot of Australia Oneworld is the favorite.

I did my Star Around the World in 2002.

HAJ-VIE-NRT: OS
surface Japan Rail
FUK-SIN: SQ
SIN-SYD: SQ
SYD-AKL: NZ
AKL-NAN: NZ
NAN-RAR: NZ
RAR-LAX-LAS: NZ/UA
LAS-ORD-DCA: UA
surface Amtrack
BOS-FRA-FMO

60 miles below the milage limit.

 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:37 am

I prefer Oneworld's continent based structure to Star's mileage based structure. I can do more without having to worry about mileage limitations and can rack-up more FF miles one One than Star. As for having more airlines on Star, that is true. For me, with enough advanced planning, I have neverbeen able to not get on a flight I wanted, even if I had to waitlist (needed to do this to get on CX's nonstop JFK-HKG flight, but I did clear over two months before the flight). One may have fewer carriers, but having the opportunity to fly CX, LA, BA and QF is worth having fewer choices.
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:52 am

My current RTW:

CPH-MAN (SK C)
MAN-ORD (BD C)
ORD-LAX (UA F)
LAX-YYZ-LAX (AC C)
LAX-SFO (UA F)
SFO-NRT (NH F)
NRT-HKG (UA F)
HKG-SIN-BKK (SQ F)
BKK-MUC (TG F)
MUC-ATH (LH C)
ATH-VIE-LHR (OS C)
LHR-CPH (RG C)

My next RTW:
CPH-ZRH (SK C)
ZRH-MAN (SQ F)
MAN-ORD (BD C)
ORD-LAX (UA F)
LAX-OGG-LAX (UA F)
LAX-LAS-SFO (UA Y)
SFO-LAX-HNL (UA F)
GUM-KIX (NH Y)
KIX-VIE-MXP (OS C)
MXP-WAW-LHR (LO C)
LHR-CPH (RG C)
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:05 am

I'd also look at the route you are doing. I don't know the US market, but it's cmmon to have one or two airlines that work together to give a round world ticket. eg QF/BA offer fairly extensive fares to Europe from New Zealand that allow travel via Africa or Asia or North America or South America. Yeah, I realise a New Zealand fare is no good to you, but I am sure there are similar sort of fares on sale in the USA. Sometimes these sorts of fares, plus a few paid sectors, can save a lot of money. Depneds on your goal. T clock up themileage, aircraft types etc, stick with an alliance fare. Check the fare rules and booking classes for travel. Oneworld Y class is booked in L class, a low yield fare that has restrictions on earning eg as QF frequent flyer I earn no points on an AA sector booked in L.

I'm doing the following route this Nov on oneworld:
Wellington-Sydney-Bangkok-Hong Kong-Johannesburg-London-Muscat-London-Washington-Dallas-LA-Santiago-Caracas-Santiago-Rio-Santiago-New York-LA-Brisbane-Darwin-Sydney-Wellington. It's about 70,000 miles all up on the one ticket.
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:26 am

If you plan on visiting Europe, consider the SkyTeam RTW ticket http://www.skyteam.com/EN/benefits/aroundTheWorld/index.jsp in conjunction with the
European Airpass http://www.skyteam.com/EN/benefits/airpass/index.jsp
SkyTeam's rtw product is mileage based: 26, 29, 36 or 39,000 miles with 3 - 15 stops. After the first intercontinental flight you can change your itinerary free of charge.

From the SkyTeam partners KE operates Sydney, Brisbane and Auckland + Christchurch. By time of your travel MH will hopefully be a SkyTeam member as well.
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:53 am

Aa777jr -

Yeah, $A2500 is today worth $US1787.

For price and the amount of travel you can do, you're mad if you don't do a round-the-world. I'd pay virtually the same price if I booked a Sydney to London return.

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RE: Round The World Flights...

Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:10 pm

How much in Canadian dollars would it cost for a Skyteam Airpass to fly

YVR-AMS
AMS-DXB
DXB-NBO
NBO-KIG
KIG-NBO
NBO-LHR
LHR-YVR

How much would it cost for:

YVR-AMS
AMS-NBO
NBO-DXB
DXB-YVR
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:43 pm

Just finished a four month one last month - this doesn't necessarily apply to you as you'll be leaving from the US, but I got a BA-Qantas ticket and it was excellent. For under £1000 (ie about $1500) I went RTW AND via two 'hard to get to from Europe' continents eg Africa and South America. Routing was London-Nairobi, then Jo'burg to Perth to Sydney to Auckland to Santiago, then Lima to Madrid and London.

For anyone leaving from the UK I'd recommend checking these out - they book you on some normally very expensive flights (any one of JNB-PER, AKL-SCL or LIM-MAD-LHR can cost what my ticket did) on some good airlines - eg Qantas, BA, Lan Chile through a codeshare.

Worth a look! Rules for mine were mileage (30,000) and constant travel in one direction. And given its Qantas you usually go through Australia - recommended!
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:37 am

This may be a little off-topic, nevertheless I have been wondering, if there are any cheap possibilities of doing a (half) RTW which only include departure from Europe-South America-North America-return to Europe.

I know, that RTW tickets normally require you to fly transpacific as well. I, for myself, however would like to exchange the transpacific flight for a second transatlantic back. So are there any options?

By the way, just came back from a highly recommended oneworld RTW visiting 4 continents: Europe, South America, North America and Asia.
Routing was:
VIE-BCN-MAD-EZE (IB)
EZE-LIM-CUZ (LA)
LIM-SCL (LA)
SCL-MIA (AA)
MIA-SXM (AA)
SXM-MIA-YYZ (AA)
YYZ-DFW-LAS (AA)
LAS-LAX (AA)
LAX-HKG (CX)
HKG-NRT (CX)
NRT-HKG-BKK (CX)
BKK-HKG-DXB (CX)
DXB-LHR-VIE (BA)
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:52 am

Wow, so much info I'm overwhelmed. I want to get the best RTW ticket for my money, I think I'll call AA and find out the number to their RtW office and get all the info. I too, am in my final year of law school and need a year to relax!

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RE: Round The World Flights...

Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:58 am

AA RTW can be reached at:

1-800-247-3247

My advice is to call when it opens on weekdays at 7 AM Dallas time. The two AAgents working that time are far and away the best.
 
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:06 am

Wow that interesting, I will choose oneworld alliance to fly RTW. But I have got some questions about it.

1) For how long did you stay in each city? 1 week or three weeks?
2) Is it ok for me to travel around US cities? (only 6 flights (no pay extra for stopover? I mean from SXM-ORD via MIA, I pay to stop in MIA and then pay more to fly from MIA to ORD?))
3) Did you have enough money to pay for the hotel fee, car and so on in each city?
4) Did you stay in the airport and wait for other airlines to take you other place? I dont want to pay for the motels and transport in Europe.

Thanks
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RE: Round The World Flights...

Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:35 am

If you're worried about hotel prices and such in Europe, you could always just stay in Youth Hostels you know, or other Backpacker accommodation.

With OneWorld, I think you get two stopovers per continent, which you can use to get to other places. A stopover is a stay of less than 24 hours.

Check on the Qantas web site (choose Specials, then Round-The-World), or alternatively go to the OneWorld web site.

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RE: Round The World Flights...

Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:41 pm

ClassicLover -
You get unlimited stopovers on the oneworld Explorer ticket except in the continent where you start / finish your journey where you are only permitted two stopovers. A stopover is a loyover of more than 24 hours.

FlyBoyOz -
You are allowed a maximum of six flights within the North and Central America continent zone. Note that this does not include the flight that gets you to North America (for example, from Australia) and the flight that takes you from North America (for example, to Europe). You are able to purchase two extra flights in each continent - for USD$150 for each flight. However, you can not purchase more flights if you already have 20 flights on your whole RTW. You can do overland segments. For example, if you can find a cheap flight from, for example, LAX to SFO, you can purchase that flight separately rather than "wasting" one of you 20 RTW flights for that particular flight.

Other restrictions to note on flights within North America on oneworld Explorers:
- you are only allowed one nonstop transcon flight - these are flights between BWI/BOS/FLL/BDL/MIA/EWR/NYC/ORL/PHL/SJU/YYZ/WAS and
LAS/LGB/LAX/OAK/SNA/PDX/SAN/SEA/SFO/SJC/YVR.
- you are also only allowed to fly once to Alaska and once from Alaska. This could be a mute point because AA, the only oneworld member to fly to Alaska, operates it on a seasonal basis (summer only).
- you are not allowed to back-track from the continental USA to Hawaii. This, in practice, means that the only way to visit Hawaii on a oneworld Explorer is to fly either SYD-Hawaii-Mainland USA or vice-versa. You are not allowed to use two of your six North American flights to go Mainland USA - Hawaii and back.



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