uadc8contrail
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Any Great Lakes People In Here...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:07 pm

I flew from GJT to DEN today(sun)and the aircraft was painted in the original united colors. upon landing in denver i notice all the great lakes aircraft painted in united colors. i was under the impression that great lakes code shared with frontier????the announcements in GJT were made for great lakes and frontier....any idea when the ZK fleet will be repainted....
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mariner
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RE: Any Great Lakes People In Here...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:20 pm

Usdc8contrail:

I'm not sure that Great Lakes has a unique livery. Mostly they seem to have kept the old UAL colors, but painted out any reference to United:


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They did go for something a bit more indivifual, but I don't think it was more than a couple of aircraft:


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Yes, they do code share with Frontier as well, but UAL is still their biggest code share partner, obviously.

They haven't been doing all that well since 9/11. Their l/f has just returned to the mid 40%, and their auditors have questioned their viability.

So I don't think there;s a lot of money for paint.

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RE: Any Great Lakes People In Here...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:39 pm

This company is on the verge of collapse. They are losing all their
EAS cities. Their highest revenue producing markets Santa Fe,
and Telluride are so seasonal. Many have wondered why they havent
picked up cities such as DEN-Jackson Hole, DEN-Sun Valley, Aspen-Salt Lake Ctiy, Phoenix -St. George (they do PHX-Page), Eagle-Salt Lake City, Boise-Sun VAlley, Boise-Elko, Elko Denver. These routings would definintely produce revenue streams for this operation.

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RE: Any Great Lakes People In Here...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:47 pm

I have wondered may times why a small regional never offered service from SLC-ASE, and also PHX-SGU. (I have seen DL tickets from SGU-PHX that bring people to SLC on OO then on to SGU on DL)
 
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RE: Any Great Lakes People In Here...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:00 pm

"Many have wondered why they haventpicked up cities such as DEN-Jackson Hole, DEN-Sun Valley, Aspen-Salt Lake Ctiy, Phoenix -St. George (they do PHX-Page), Eagle-Salt Lake City, Boise-Sun VAlley, Boise-Elko, Elko Denver. These routings would definintely produce revenue streams for this operation."

In their code share aggrement with UAL, GLA can't compete with UAL to any of the cities that are flown by United or United Express. I'm sure the aggrement with Frontier is similar.
Also, back in 2000 when GLA went from a United Express partner to just a code share parter, part of the deal was for UAL to pay for the aircraft to be reapinted. I'm sure this got axed after UAL filed for CH.11 thus the many diffrent paint jobs.
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RE: Any Great Lakes People In Here...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:36 pm

That code share agreement was to include only same "routes" and not cities.
I think it was trashed prior to them opening up RAP from F9 (later to be scrapped) Furthermore the only route up there flown by UA or UA EX is DEN -JAC. And if your info is correct whats the deal with GJT which is also served by UAEX (OO).As to the paint on their aricraft I don't think you are correct there. UA filed bankruptcy a year ago. The code share agreement ended almost 4 years ago. (the interim 2 1/2 years wasa mpled for UA to paiont their aircraft if that was true)
 
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RE: Any Great Lakes People In Here...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:40 pm

It is my understanidng that Arizona Express is looking at the PHX-SGU routing and has expressed consideration in running it on a routing of PHX-SGU-SLC-IDA and back.
 
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RE: Any Great Lakes People In Here...

Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:29 pm

"That code share agreement was to include only same "routes" and not cities."

Then why is GLA flying DEN-GJT-DEN?
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RE: Any Great Lakes People In Here...

Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:04 am

Great Lakes has actually been semi-profitable. The yields are up, the loads are getting higher.

The airline has been doing more point-to-point marketing and pricing, doing what they can to attract passengers to Denver.

In regards to the UAX codeshare termination, Meigs Field was the highlight of the termination, as UA was getting a HUGE chunk of the $215 walk-up fares and Great Lakes also did some research and found out that about 1/3rd of their traffic was local traffic to and from O'Hare... and again, UA was getting a HUGE chunk of that money (instead of Lakes keeping most of it).

The new agreement with United Airlines is a codeshare that allows competition into United Express markets.

In regards to paint, Lakes is only painting aircraft as needed in maintenance checks. Although I haven't been employed by Great Lakes for over 5 years now, I can say that we did keep our planes in good condition, both interior & exterior.

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