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Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:06 am

Northwest Airlines Announces New Anchorage-Maui-Honolulu Seasonal Service
Monday September 27, 2:00 pm ET
Airline to Offer Its First Nonstop Flights Between Alaska and Hawaii


MINNEAPOLIS, Sept. 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Northwest Airlines (Nasdaq: NWAC - News) today announced that it will offer new seasonal service between Anchorage, Alaska, Maui, Hawaii, and Honolulu, from Feb. 17 through April 3, 2005.

The flights are the first nonstop service the airline has offered between Alaska and Hawaii.

The flights will be operated with Boeing 757-300 aircraft seating 224 passengers, including 24 in first class.

Flight 93 between Anchorage and Maui, continuing to Honolulu, will operate on Sundays, Thursdays, Fridays, and Saturdays between Feb. 17 and April 3. Flight 92 between Maui and Honolulu, continuing to Anchorage, will operate on the same days between Feb. 17 and April 3.


http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040927/cgm039_1.html
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:08 am

That is really very interesting.

I guess NW has decided that Hawaii is a good market for them and the 753.

On the other hand, that somewhat shows that the 753 isn't working out for them on other routes.

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Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:08 am

Great news, NW is really finding the market for those 753's! I bet they are starting to wish they had a few more! NW seems to be making all the right moves lately  Big thumbs up
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:11 am

How long of a flight would that be? Secondly, is there really a market for such a flight??

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RE: New NW Anchorage-Maui-Honolulu Seasonal Serv

Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:13 am

Too bad the 753's are so unfriendly for the cabin crew on these long routes. This is certainly a very interesting route and should probly cut the travel time in half between these 2 markets. The flight number is also interesting, i would have guessed that airlines wouldnt be using flight number 93.
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RE: New NW Anchorage-Maui-Honolulu Seasonal Serv

Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:13 am

It's the same distance as BOS-SFO, about 2800 miles.
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:19 am

Wow...Northwest is really going all out on adding new service to Hawaii this year. First PDX, SFO, and now this. I wonder what other west coast airport are they planning to add service from?. SJC, SMF, SAN, LAS, SLC,PHX and RNO would be great contenders............
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:19 am

I started noticing this a few months ago, and this only re-enforces what I was thinking. NW has found a niche for the 753's and is probably wishing they had ordered a few more. Too bad it's too late now.

NW is really growing its presence in Hawaii. LAX, SFO, PDX, SEA, DTW, MSP, now ANC to HNL. ANC-OGG, SEA-OGG/KOA. Not to mention that NRT and KIX also have service to HNL. Maybe the rumors from PHX and LAS to HNL are not so far fetched.
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:22 am

Yeah for NW!!!!
This flight will do very well.... Western used to fly this route and it was always full... it is about time someone picked it up... I wonder how this will effect the "Hawaiin Vacations" charter flights ANC-OGG and ANC-HNL
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:28 am

Do you think NWA would consider a PDX to OGG flight?
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:44 am

Leneld,

Yesterday, I would have said no. Now that they have added ANC-OGG, it would not surprise me. However, I don't think that it is likely.

I am sure we wont see NW service to HNL from SJC, SMF, SAN, SLC, and RNO. They would not fly 753's into those cities. They are just regular stations with basic service to MSP and DTW.
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:55 am

i am stunned..........i dont even know what to write!!!
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:55 am

does anyone have the times of the flights
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:02 am

NW93 ANC-OGG DEP 16:00 ARR 20:55
NW 92 OGG-ANC DEP 21:55 ARR 06:40
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:12 am

This really is interesting. Alaska - Hawaii is a huge (relatively speaking) market. When I first started as a travel agent in Juneau and then Anchorage, we had a dedicated person in both offices that did nothing but Hawaii, and we couldn't keep up with the demand. At one time in the early 80s, there were actually three scheduled carriers on the ANC-HNL route, Western, United and South Pacific Island Airways (SPIA). How long has it been since there was any scheduled service?

I don't doubt that the route will do well. Hawaii overall, and Maui especially, has seen a dramatic increase in arrivals from all over the US. The evening departures are really starting to pick up at littler 'ole OGG.

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Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:30 am

I don't know about that Searpqx.

Hawaii Vacations is able to justify the long term charter of a Hawaiian Airlines 767(previously DC-10) aircraft to handler their ANC-HNL traffic.

I wonder how a schedualed flight will actually do, and what effect it will have on that charter.
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:40 am

Interesting that they are using flight number 93 for the outbound.
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:42 am

what time does it leave HNL? I cant open the link here at work.
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:50 am

Interesting that they are using flight number 93 for the outbound.

Why?
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:52 am

Interesting that they are using flight number 93 for the outbound.

Why?


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Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:59 am

we've been using 93 for a long time..........IAH-GRU-GIG
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:00 am

How does ETOPS factor into this??? According to the GCM, OGG-ANC is 2430 nm and ETOPS 180 is what is needed to make it...do the NW 753's have ETOPS 180???

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=OGG-ANC%0D%0A&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=red&PATH-UNITS=nm&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=&ETOPS=138

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Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:09 am

Any mainland-Hawaii flight needs ETOPS 180, so the 757-300s would already need that certification for existing service.
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:09 am

USAFHummer : You'll notice that if you enter SFO-HNL on that same page, you also get a ETOPS "hole" ... but the west coast - hawaii flights seem to work for NW!
 
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RE: New NW Anchorage-Maui-Honolulu Seasonal Serv

Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:17 am

Is this service really so seasonal that they would only operate it for a month and a half? That part doesn't really seem to make sense to me. I guess that late April is when the Alaska traffic really picks up and maybe they would want to switch some capacity back to Alaska-Mainland US, but is there demand for this route in the winter in Alaska? It just seems odd that they are only going to offer a total of 28 flights.
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:43 am

I love it when people ask if there is market for a route?

Do you honestly think an airline isn't going to research any? Any just put a plane on a made up route?
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:24 am

I understand that, Burnsie, but with all due respect, four planes went down that day, none of which were (1) NW planes (2) outbound from ANC (3) flying to OGG. Coincidental? Sure...it's a flight numbered "93". "Interesting"? Not really. Which is why I asked why.

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Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:28 am

I wouldn't expect other carriers besides those affected on 9/11 to not use those flight numbers. There is justifiable reason why they would not, for the reasons mentioned by Mikey711MN--especially since most of the public (besides the many impacted by 9/11) doesn't remember the flight numbers anyway-or keep them salient in their memory. I'm willing to bet that there are even fewer numbers of those people that would be flying from ANC-Hawaii.
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:43 am

Also, NW will be announcing PDX-AMS shortly. We're picking up an extra gate there at PDX. It's going to be for a March of 05 start. Smile/happy/getting dizzy)
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:54 am

seriously? wow thta would be amazing for PDX.................is there a possibilty of a tag-on from SEA?
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:47 am

Does this have anything to do with the high operational cost at Seattle? Are airlines starting to look at PDX as a viable alternative to Seattle?
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:26 am

Was looking in the system today and mid next year the SEA-AMS is showing a 330-300 , not the 330-200 like we had heard scheduled.
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:36 am

We had really only heard rumors. The 333 will do fine on this route.

Also, NW will be announcing PDX-AMS shortly. We're picking up an extra gate there at PDX. It's going to be for a March of 05 start. )

Heh, I have a hard time buying that. What are they going to operate it with?
DC-10s?

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Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:46 am

I wonder what NW will charge for the inter-island portion of this flight (assuming they'll sell fares for that segment... don't know why not).... interesting that for a few weeks, there'll be a third choice for island-hopping!
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:55 am

interesting that for a few weeks, there'll be a third choice for island-hopping!

Fourth. Effective November, AA's SJC-Hawai'i routes will operate as a triangle (SJC-HNL-OGG-SJC) excepet during winter and summer breaks (about 3.5 months a year).
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:58 am

Gigneil....When it comes to PDX nothing surprises me anymore. I can't beleive that Lufthansa , Northwest, and Mexicana has international flights out of PDX. Especially to a market our size. I also can't beleive that NWA is going to add flights to HNL from here in Dec. I guess what just going to have to wait and see.............
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:59 am

Gigneil....When it comes to PDX nothing surprises me anymore. I can't beleive that Lufthansa , Northwest, and Mexicana has international flights out of PDX. Especially to a market our size. I also can't beleive that NWA is going to add flights to HNL from here in Dec. I guess we're just going to have to wait and see.............
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:35 am

That's very cool if you ask me... a AK to HI service. What other airlines have done that in the past, any? I would like to see year round service between DTW and HNL, and 747s from MSP-HNL. I noticed there are no photos of NW 757s in Hawaii in the database... is that my inability to search for them or are there simply none?


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Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:40 pm

I can understand how there would be markets TO each of tye ANC and HNL markets as both Alaska and Hawaii are major vacation destinations. I'm just a tad surprised to see a market open up BETWEEN HNL and ANC.

I would have thought that AS, HA or Aloha would have started service first with a bit smaller plane before NW ever would have with a 753.
 
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:20 pm

What other airlines have done that in the past, any?

South Pacific Island Airways, United, and Western, and maybe others.

I'm just a tad surprised to see a market open up BETWEEN HNL and ANC.

Alaskans and Hawaiians go on vacations too. I don't know if Hawaiians flock to Alaska, but Alaskans go in flocks to Hawai'i.
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Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:32 pm

The key part of this flight, and other flights to HNL using the 753's is that it is significantly increasing the utilization of the 753 fleet. In the past, this 753 likely would have arrived in from MSP in the late afternoon and either RON'ed until the next morning, or flown back to MSP as a red-eye after sitting around in ANC for 9 hours or so.

Now, NW can tag on the Hawaii route, and then return to ANC the next morning where the 753 is ready to continue back to MSP.

The same can be said for the other West Coast - Hawaii 753 routes. The aircraft either fly as a red-eye from Hawaii back to the West Coast, or if a daytime return from Hawaii, fly as a red-eye back to either MSP or DTW.

Remember that SEA-HNL upgages to a DC-10 in December too.


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Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:59 pm

I would not doubt that NW was contacted by an agency for this route but could not guarantee all capacity. NW, as has been said, saw an opportunity to test the waters with at least some assured pax with unused or minor adjusted downtime acft. If it works you bet they will be back. The 757-300 with those extra seats is thought to be great for countering the lowest fares. GO NWA
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:37 am

pdx-ams in march '05


Is this the continuation of a rumour or from a respected and true source?
 
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:46 am

I suggest all of you who think you can run NWA better than those who are currently running it, SEND IN YOUR RESUMES. Obviously those who quesiton the viability and need for this route know way more than the marketing executives do.

I think this is the continuing evidence of NWA setting itself up to be a player in this industry for the long term. They're doing things right, and ought to be admired for their efforts.


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Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:29 am

"I didnt think airlines would use a flight 93"

Well guess what they do. NW uses 175 between MSP-SEA and that was one of the flight numbers that crashed on 9/11.
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:15 am

Airlines only retire numbers if they were involved in accidents/ or other events for that particular airline. NW also has flight 11 DTW NRT.

As far as any new city pairs for NW, Bldg A is always looking at profitable new cities and sometimes they are not going to be hub to hub or hub to spoke. After 9-11, NW said they would do the best they could to match capacity to demand. Utilizing a 757-300 on the HNL from ANC is good thinking as that a/c would have sat.

It would be nice to PDX AMS, and maybe that will happen. PDX business community has certainly reached out for international service and it will probably be a good match for NW to go to AMS from there.

Don't forget about PHL. Many people have been waiting for the return of PHL AMS since the day we left (needed the a/c for FCO service and other reasons at the time). The rumor mill was working hard as recently as a year and a half ago that PHL AMS might return. I don't think that would be out of the question especially now with US possible demise.

NGO will certainly be a topic soon as the new intl airport will open next year. KIX operations had been very costly and that was one of many reasons we pulled a lot of flying out of there. Hopefully NGO will not repeat the mistakes KIX made. I love NGO, such a small efficient airport.

As recovery comes in some degree to the legacy carriers, look for NW to jump right in where they think will be the most beneficial. AF CDG-MSP eventually would be a nice feeder into the NW system. Alitalia into DTW from MXP would be nice too.
 
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:44 am

I wish it was year round service. Robert NWDC10
 
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:01 am

I wish it was year round service

If AZ stays in business and with SkyTeam, it most likely will. I don't really know about PHL-AMS though. NW lost $30 million on that route in one year of operation. Unless US does liquidate, I don't see us going back for this again.


PDX-AMS will happen. It's going to be operated with an A330. Be skeptical if you must, but this will be happening in the coming year.
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RE: New NW Anchorage-Maui-Honolulu Seasonal Serv

Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:13 pm

What's next .... LON - HNL ...?  Nuts


 
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Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:19 pm

A lot of people from Hawaii like to go up to Alaska to fish, ya know... For salmon, and such...
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