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7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:44 pm

The basic config for the 217 (7E7-8) seat layout is as follows:

3 rows of 2+2+2 First Class at 60 " Pitch
5 rows of 2+3+2 Business Class 40" Pitch
18 rows of 2+4+2 Coach at 32"
2 rows of 2+4+2 Coach at 60" Pitch (L2 and L3 Doors)
1 Row of 4 Center Coach at 32" Pitch

Seat Width:

First: 22-26" (Pending on Aisle Width)
Busniess: 20-24" (Pending on Aisle Width)
Coach: 19" Standard
 
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:57 pm

- Nobody does 40 inch pitch in Business Class anymore
- 55-60 inch is standard, 6 abreast in 7e7 like aircraft (airbus340/50)
- 75-85 inch is normal in First, probably 5 abreast

I'm talking carriers like BA, LH, AF, KLM, AA, UA, Delta, NWA, CO, JAL, ANA, SQ , MH, EK, SAA etc ...

So what would be a realistic seat capasity of the 7e7-8 ?

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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:47 pm

That is the capacity. 217 pax. Look at the standard config on 767's. The pitch is greater except in first. The biggest gain is the seat width.

In answer to your question on the different pitches. Probably about 180.

[Edited 2004-09-28 16:53:33]
 
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 3:15 am



http://www.boeing.com/commercial/7e7/flash.html

All informations are based on 2/3-class aircrafts. But I wanna know, what are the MAXIMUM seating capacaty??? As the 7E7-8 is orderd by charter airlines FIRSTchoice and Blue Panorama, I am curious about the max. seating! any suggestions??? also on the max. of 7E7-9 and /-3?? any boeing guys here??

ThanX chriX
 
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:05 am

Debonair,
Current planned config for the First Choice Airways 7E7-8 is 272 seats;

63 premium economy (36-37" pitch - 7 abreast)
209 economy (32-33" pitch - 8 abreast)

That is only a small increase against the 258 seat config on the 767-300. In terms of absolute capacity the 7E7-8 should be between the 767-300 and 767-400 at around 340 seats.

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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:19 am

5 rows of 2+3+2 Business Class 40" Pitch

At least Airbus can keep nagging about "No middle seat in business class"  Big grin
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:24 am

The intersting thing is that the 7e7 can be set up as 9 abreast in coach (with 17' seats I believe). Boeing figures are based upon 8 abreast. This is one of the big attractions for charter operators.

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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:27 am

The intersting thing is that the 7e7 can be set up as 9 abreast in coach (with 17' seats I believe). Boeing figures are based upon 8 abreast. This is one of the big attractions for charter operators.

Bleargh! Remind me never to get on one of those  Sad
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:29 am

Realistic configurations airlines would specify for long-haul:

3 class :
F : 10 seats 5 abreast at 80 inch
C : 30 seats 6 abreast at 60 inch
M : the rest at 30-32 inch

2 class
C : 36 seats at 60 inch
M : the rest at 30-32 inch

Any info what would be the seating capasity with above seat specifications ?

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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:30 am

Keesje:

Your three class config is about 180. Between L1 and L2 it's 3 rows at 60" and 5 rows at 40". Between the L2 and L3 and L3 and L4 doors there is room for 10 rows at 34" each section. There is room for a center row of 4 seats at the L3 door with 42' pitch.

The 2 class config would be roughly 240-250.

The 7E7-9 is roughly 320 in a typical two class. Most likely 270-280 in a three class. At this point it's undetermined.

The real kicker. You could configure the bird 2+3+2 business with about 160-170 seats and run it with a lower ASM cost than a 767-300 or A-330.
 
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:42 am

Bleargh! Remind me never to get on one of those

At 3+3+3, the 7E7 seats would be roughly equal to the seats on the 737, 757, A330, A340, and EK's 777s. With decent pitch and IFE, I see no big pain. Or are you avoiding those aircraft as well  Big grin

Any info what would be the seating capasity with above seat specifications

Just take a look at the way current airlines opperate their 763ERs, the two aircraft are almost exactly matched for capacity. No airline opperates an Airbus, Boeing, or anything at the exact seating advertised. Heck.... AA seats 224 in their 777-200ER!
 
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:48 pm

May I ask you one question:
Where do you get this information?
 
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:37 pm

Ive never really taken an interestin the 7e7, but ew!!!! Those weired window configuration! ITs a bit like the TU-104-with the line of windown 'raising' at a point, well strange! It seems to be in business class, lets hope steerage isnt like that!
 
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:44 pm

Just to clear a few things up.

At 3+3+3, the 7E7 seats would be roughly equal to the seats on the 737, 757, A330, A340, and EK's 777s. With decent pitch and IFE, I see no big pain. Or are you avoiding those aircraft as well

assuming 17'

It would be about 1cm narrower than a 757 and 737, about 2cm narrower than a an A330/40 and 3cm narrower than a standard 9 abreast 777.

According to AA anyway.http://www.aa.com/content/aboutUs/ourPlanes/ourPlanes.jhtml?anchorEvent=false


PS, used A300 for the A330/A340.

but the standard 19' width, I could get used to  Big grin.

The real kicker. You could configure the bird 2+3+2 business with about 160-170 seats and run it with a lower ASM cost than a 767-300 or A-330.

That depends entirely on what configuration you assigning the A330/763ER.

Thank god they scrapped that illogical 3-2-3 config though.
 
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:40 pm

As I might have stated b4. All customers will put in a very uncomfortable 3-3-3 config in coach. No matter what the marketing yabba tells us.

Except for maybe some Asian airliner that does consider passenger comfort. But so far none of those airlines haven't ordered any.

Seat pitch and width is not a problem with the 7E7, but a general issue for the operators to consider. It's basicly too cramped when taller than 165cm (5'5)
 
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:49 pm

As I might have stated b4. All customers will put in a very uncomfortable 3-3-3 config in coach. No matter what the marketing yabba tells us.

Then they will have a weight problem.
 
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:08 pm

As I might have stated b4. All customers will put in a very uncomfortable 3-3-3 config in coach. No matter what the marketing yabba tells us.

So if the flight schedule & food is good & the price 10% lower, guess what passengers will do .. wait for another 10% more expensive flight?
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:16 am

Thank god they scrapped that illogical 3-2-3 config though.

They havn't.... an airline can choose between 2+4+2, 3+2+2, 3+3+3, or 2+5+2. The 3+2+3 has actually recieved positive feedback from the surveys Boeing has done, and until you try it yourself, it might be a bit premature to write it off.

Many flyers prefer 3+3+3 in the 777 even though it is statistically "less comfortable" than 2+5+2.

As I might have stated b4. All customers will put in a very uncomfortable 3-3-3 config in coach. No matter what the marketing yabba tells us.

By that logic, all 777 opperators would be following EK's model. And yet, only a small handful of 777 opperators seat 10 abreast. The 7E7 gives airlines the option of seating 9 abreast, lowering seat/mile cost for charter and LCC airlines while increasing the aircraft's flexibility and resale value.

Then they will have a weight problem.

I assume you mean that a 7E7 in high-density configuration would be too heavy? The 7E7 is heavily "over-ranged," with 8,500nm avialable to the base model. The intention of this extra range was to allow airlines to carry lots of underfloor cargo, but this payload can be subsituted for human payload above deck.
 
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RE: 7E7 Seating Layout: Basic Config

Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:38 am

3+3+3 would totally kill the improved pax experience. There's a reason the 7E7 is 226" wide vs. the 777 231".

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