jhooper
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Delta's Cash Cows

Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:31 pm

I'm curious to know what Delta considers the "cash cows" of their operation. In other words, which routes bring in the most money for Delta? Is it ATL-NRT? ATL-LGW? Perhaps another route???
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UAXDXer
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:59 pm

I don't know about Delta but I have heard that one of the biggest cash cows for UAL in the DEN-Aspen route flown by United Express.
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:24 am

I'd suppose ATL-NRT, I've also heard that JFK-SVO and JFK-IST, and JFK-ATH are big cash cows for DL as they are the only US carrier on the routes.

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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:02 am

I would guess just based on loads and freight contracts that NRT - ATL, LIM - ATL, and SAL - ATL, would all have to be in the top ten most profitable flt DL operates.

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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:05 am

Working with Delta at LGW, the talk is that ATL-LGW is Delta's most profitable
 
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:53 am

Well DL was using 4 daily 767-300s for ATL-LGW. The fares over the summer were high, I couldn't find any under $1,000 advanced purchase roundtrip. I suppose the yields are high. Too bad DL can't fly ATL-LHR, imagine the number of flights DL would have, I could easily see 6-7 daily flights. Oh well. One can dream...

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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:58 am

SESDL ring ring ring... Don't get me started on the exclusion of LHR for DL. I think they would be profitable (more like AA's situation) now if they had pilot costs under control and LHR access (they'd also be a bigger airline).

I have heard that ATL-SLC and ATL-PDX is a very lucrative route domestically. No SimpliFares there  Smile
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:13 am

is ATL-ZRH a cash cow? does anyone know? every time I fly that route, the plane is packed.
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:27 am

CDG-BOM is always full. Thats gotta be a money maker. DL is actually adding another flight to BOM from Frankfurt I believe.
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:27 am

Maybe ATL-BOG and ATL-CCS, they are the only airline flying the route, and hey had a lot of PAX going to Canada. But now AC changed the rules.
 
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:50 am

Speaking of BOG, what the hell is up with Colombians flying that route? I sometimes go out on the ramp and assist the groundcrew loading flights. Every time I work the BOG flight, oh my God, what the hell are these people packing? What is here that you cannot get in BOG? None of the bags weigh less than 70 lbs, and a 757 bin is not the easiest thing to stack 300 70lb bags. Hell, stuff in BOG are probably cheaper than you would get them here? That is a bitch of a flight.

The same way with inbound San Salvador flights. Every bag packed with 100 lbs of cheese? I mean, cheese? People bringing back cheese from San Salvador. I am sure you can get the same cheese in Wisconsin as you can get in San Salvador. And you don't have to travel as far or even out of the country.

It pisses me off what these people pack, and its not a few, its every freaking person on the flight.
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:59 am

Every time I work the BOG flight, oh my God, what the hell are these people packing?

SDQ flights are notorious for this same amount of overpacking. I know that CO often uses a 777 or 764 for their EWR-SDQ flights due to the sheer amount of cargo and baggage, and they typically set the SDQ checkin area separate from the rest of international checkin on the upper level because it takes a lot of time to check in all that excess baggage and process the fees. It would seriously hold the lines up if it was combined with regular international checkin. When I have flown out on a Saturday morning internationally, I see the CO CSR's wheeling around portable scales due to the great number of bags that have to be weighed for excess fees near the SDQ counters.
 
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:20 pm

DL's Flt 907 from ATL to CCS is almost never full and we very rarely put any freight on it, so I do not think that it would be one. However CDG - BOM I could see that being one of the better money makers, but I still think NRT - ATL has got to be the winner for the most money making flt.


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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 1:05 pm

As a Latino I am going to ignore the ignorant comments made by Otto.

I am positive Tallahassee is a cashcow station for Delta, they control the market here and charge whatever they want.

Maybe the reason why ATL-CCS is emptty because they do no offer competetive pricing. Why would it be cheaper for me to fly TLH-MIA-CCS the first sector on DL and the second on AA than fly TLH-ATL-CCS all on Delta.
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:08 pm

OttoPylit:
We Colombian people bring always back GIFTS, GIFTS AND MORE GIFTS to our family's, friends and colleague's. If you have a lot of family your bags are full of it. But if we return from Colombia, we bring our local food/ goodies etc that's hard to get in Europe and the USA.....so groundworkers in Colombia have to deal with the same problem as you have.... but not only on that single Delta 757....but all flights!!!!!(imagine an AF A340, IB A340 AV767´s, BA 767´S and B777´s and you can go on......what a bags.......
By the way Colombian people like DUTCH CHEESE also...my bags are full of it... well where.. these days only 20/23 kilos are permitted to bring with me from Europe to Colombia....back in the good old days I packed 64 kilos in 2 bags.....hahaha Smile sorry (I understand you point of heavy bags) but this is normal not only for Colombia but for more country's in Latin America

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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:26 pm

Yeah, I brought back about 10 lbs of cheese from the Netherlands when I was there in July. No, you cannot get stuff like that in Wisconsin. Yes, I did fly DL.
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 2:52 pm

Does anyone know how the ATL-ANC flight does... I hear it is full of cruise ship PAX ... but I have to wonder if this flight is a cash cow... I bet it is!
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:03 pm

Going back to places like South America and Africa do call for gifts for relatives, be it big or small, every one of it is appreciated. While my travel items fit in one suitcase, I have always carried a second one (as big and as full) full of clothes to give away in Ethiopia... coming back, the second suitcase serves to transport spices and food items that I would otherwise not be able to get where I live. It is not an uncommon sight to see Nigerians and Ghanaians packing and repacking suitcases in front of KLM counters, and I even remember seeing this one passenger on Ethiopian Airlines checking in with 6 or 7 identical suitcases (the big ones) and paying up excess up front in cash. I am told that ET's checkin counter was moved from its original place at IAD almost soon after they started service due to the chaos that is part of the added checkin workload...
 
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:39 pm

DL flights to Florida from ATL are prety good money makers or so Ive heard.
Going to the bag business, being latino myself whenever I come back to the states from Puerto Rico- I pack my bags full of food from home (sweets, coffee, cheese and so on and so on). Last time I flew my bag weighed in at 80 lbs or something like that, but the nice agent waived the overweight fee.
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:31 am

Mia,

My comments were not made to be "ignorant" as you put it and was directed only as to why these flights are so heavy compared to any others. Trust me, European flight bags are never that heavy. Asian flight bags are never that heavy. Only the South American flights and the Indian flights. At no time were my comments made to be offensive to Latin people.

Wimpycol,

Thanks for trying to explain that, although I feel it is easier to load a widebody compared to a narrowbody with heavy bags, because you have the LD containers and all the space you need to manuever that bag in the container. Inside a plane, you are on your knees and don't have a lot of space. And its hot! You also have more room to work with in a widebody. If that 757 has 300 bags, you will be stacking all 4 bins tight! I wish they would change it to a 762.
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:37 am

What about ATL-HNL? Big vacation spot. Maybe only seasonally?
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:50 am

ATL-HNL=Award tickets.....half the plane is flying for free.

Just because a plane is full, doesn't mean it is making money.
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:14 am

What about ATL-HNL? Big vacation spot. Maybe only seasonally?

Most of the majors operate to HNL for their frequent fliers....They have very low yields.

As for the topic, my guesses for domestic flights are ATL-FLL or LGA-ATL, or the Shuttle.....

For international flights, I would guess ATL-LGW or ATL-CDG.
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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:28 am


I'm pretty sure DL's JFK-BOM is up there somewhere. The flight is full year round. Heck, DL's going double daily from JFK for the winter season. One flight is through Paris and the other through Frankfurt. NorthWest is going double daily from MSP too. I would think, BOM is a cash cow for all carriers to and from North America. Most European carriers also make a killing on the route with connecting pax to the US.

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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:08 am


Thanks for trying to explain that, although I feel it is easier to load a widebody compared to a narrowbody with heavy bags, because you have the LD containers and all the space you need to manuever that bag in the container. Inside a plane, you are on your knees and don't have a lot of space. And its hot! You also have more room to work with in a widebody. If that 757 has 300 bags, you will be stacking all 4 bins tight! I wish they would change it to a 762.


OttoPylit:
Well thanks for explaining us the way how to load a plane: narrow and widebody, well now I can imagine your situation... especially with those bags from Colombia.
Delta has a cash Cow on the ATL-BOG route..not only because they're the only one on this route.. but also because of people like you who works hard and good for them!

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RE: Delta's Cash Cows

Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:14 am

As for the topic, my guesses for domestic flights are ATL-FLL or LGA-ATL, or the Shuttle.....

ATL-FLL?!? You can buy an adv. purchase r/t ticket on that route for around $150! And LGA is usually between $200-$250, both thanks to FL. Hardly as lucrative as LGA used to be. Shuttle isn't very lucrative either since they have to compete with US, AA, and Amtrak.

ATL-Europe flights are probably the most lucrative, as is ATL-NRT.
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