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UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 7:51 am

According to Cactuswings, UA has parked more than 25 733/735 since the start of September. Is this a temporary thing for MX or are we seeing a draw-down of their Boeing narrowbody fleet?
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:22 am

Oh gret, just what they need! :'(
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 8:47 am

Get rid of anything that is older than 15 years or it's inefficient. If United had any brains they would get rid of of everything narrowbody but one or two types in the same family.

Fleet simplification is the name of the game, not the number of seats alone anymore. A very smart move for United, although I will miss the Boeings dearly as I am a huge fan. They really only need a couple of different airplanes anyway; every time I go to ORD I am amazed at the number of types they fly. It absolutely defies belief. They only need (in my worthless opinion) CRJ or EMB 170 sized, B737-700/800class and 777 family.
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:14 am

Whoa there, armchair CEO dayflier.
Many airlines are getting along great with planes that are far older than 15. Southwest, Northwest, and American come to mind. Southwest is flying some great old 737-2H4's, Northwest has their reliable niners, and American is flying some MD-80s that have broken the 20 year mark. Does it make sense to spend forty million to replace a plane that is working fine? No, it does not, especially when you are in BK court- and I don't mean burger king anymore.

How would they get rid of the entire 737 and 757 fleets? Uh, there aren't enough 320s in the fleet to do all the flying, AND they don't meet the needs.

Have you realized that there are things the 320 series planes cannot do? They need 757s for that.
And like you said- it's not about seats anymore- the 777 is too big for almost all of their routes- hence they are parking them in the desert. That's why they have... You guessed it, the 767.

Fleet simplification would NOT turn United into a profit machine overnight.

Rumor had it that the 735s were ALL going to go. Which doesn't make sense to me- they are efficient airplanes (just ask Southwest- they like them a lot!), and they don't have an Airbus equivalent in the fleet. The 318 would be an okay replacement (though not perfect, due to different design intentions) but it doesn't matter, because UA doesn't HAVE the 318.

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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:08 am

The cactuswings news is showing 735 and 733 heading to Goodyear. Maybe headed to Fedex?
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 9:45 pm

There is a difference here between UA dumping the 735's and, say NW keeping the DC-9s. NW OWNS their DC-9s, but all of the 735's UA is "retiring" are leased. UA has found that it isn't cost effective to keep these aircraft in the fleet, or they would. To replace these, more flights (such as ORD-IND) are going to United Express and others are being covered by the Airbus fleet. Others are coming from cancelled routes (such as all the MIA routes). Despite what everyone likes to think, UA has some clue as to what they are doing.
 
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:09 pm

How is this possible? The 300s and 500s make up such a chuck of their fleet. Is this part of cost-cutting moves to avoid another bankruptcy?

How will they fill in the gaps in their fleet?
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:46 pm

Given the fairly oddball status of the 737-300/500 fleet in UA service, I'm not surprised that UA is phasing them out. That way, UA saves a lot of money in maintanence and operating costs of these planes, and UA would be able to do more fleet standardization. I think WN might be interested in taking these ex-UA planes if they're in good condition for future route expansion.
 
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Wed Sep 29, 2004 11:52 pm

"That's why they have... You guessed it, the 767."

Unfortunately, United doesn't have a lot of these planes, or at least as much as some other carriers do.
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:15 am

>>>I think WN might be interested in taking these ex-UA planes if they're in good condition for future route expansion.

While there was a time in years past where SWA obtained used -300s of a certain vintage, obtaining any used -300s today would mean that they are older aircraft (at the time of acquisition) than those acquired in years past. I seriously doubt if SWA would want the exposure to increased MX costs from these older aircraft.

I think it's more likely that SWA will, if aircraft are needed, work with Boeing to accelerate deliveries of previously ordered -700s, in addition to converting options to firm orders.
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:37 am

"I'm pleased to see them go....seems like that's all they ever fly from DEN/ORD-PHL.

Not sure about the PHL flights. . .but when I'm on UA between DEN and ORD. . .I always make sure I get a 747, 767, or a 777. There are 737 flights, but they are usually within ten minutes of these widebody flights. . .kind of overflow if you will. . .not all, but quite a few of them.

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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:52 am

In the long term, maybe United has to reduce the fleet type. The A320 families for narrowbodies, 777 for long-range flights or high density flights and may probably order some 7E7s to replace the ageing 757s and 767s in the future.

This may help them in the long term.

[Edited 2004-09-29 17:53:44]
 
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:57 am

Well hopefully we'll see more UA Airbuses here at CMH...mostly its 733s and 735s with the occasional A319 and 320s.
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:01 am

Not sure about the PHL flights. .

DIA,

In terms of UA's mainline operations at PHL, it's a mixed bag of 737s, A319s & A320s with an occasional 757 thrown in now and then.
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:23 am

I believe the 735's are going back to the leasing company, no?
 
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:36 am

Most UA employees knew they were getting rid of 25 or so of the 735's This isn't new. Some act as if UAL did this in a last ditch effort to stay alive, so to confront the gossip it has been in the works for some time.

UAL will replace the aging 735's and use EXPRESS and A319/20'S


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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:34 am

Herb Keller knew what he was doing, stick with one type. It reduces cost on training (pilots, F/A, MX, etc..), stores only worry about ordering same part, more than likely they will pick up some ex-UA 73X. The current UA fleet is eye candy to look at as you go through ORD, DEN or SFO, but in this economy it is KILLING them. :-( If they want to make cuts to save the airline don't bite the hand that feeds you, leave the pay where it is and start negotiations with the executives, bonuses salaries, stock options etc.

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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:12 pm

I have noticed on some of the flights into DSM, they have been switching out the 737s for 319s, 320s and even on some flights 757s. These flights have always been flown with 737s. I'm not sure if this is a sign that some 737s are leaving the fleet, or if they are just changing things up for DSM a little.
 
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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:27 pm

FROSTY72,
You speak a little truth but WN doesn't carry the numbers that UAL and the others two huge legacy carriers do. WN doesn't fly international and they never will. Fleet commonality is great if your an LCC like WN and the others but it doesn't mean squat if your a legacy, you can be like the Hawaiian carriers and fly the guppy to Hawaii but the numbers are in the 777 and widebodies.
HERB may have had a vision, and it is looked at as genius, but they will always fill the niche here in America, but people travel abroad as well.


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RE: UA Parking The 737 Fleet?

Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:50 am

Hello!,

I would have thought they would make more money flying the Aircraft.

Wouldn't they

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