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Strike Talks At ATA

Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:21 pm

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20040929005815&newsLang=en

In the wake of major layoffs and concessions, we are painfully aware of ATA's financial situation and have been doing everything we can to help the company succeed. But this is not about money; it's about job security and fairness. We believe the hidden agenda is to furlough employees and outsource their work. ATA forced mediation to happen by dragging out our contract negotiations and now is not taking mediation seriously. ATA has left us no alternative except to push for the next legal step, which will head us toward a strike Jim Young, regional director of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Organization (AMFA)

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RE: Strike Talks At ATA

Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:16 pm

ATA screwed themselves when they stepped out of their best market (chater flights) and decided to go 121 Sked and order all those new 753's and 738's. Now they are paying for those mistakes.

Let's remember, there has never been a successful downsizing of an airline (you reduce your revenue potential far more than you reduce your operating costs) and I see no reason that ATA will beat that trend. The unions talking about going on strike just sets off a domino-effect which will drive future pax away from them in droves - the last thing anyone at ATA needs.

Good luck guys & gals at ATA - You're gonna need it because the fun-meter has just begun to peg out!

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RE: Strike Talks At ATA

Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:21 pm

Would things have been any different if they did not order all of those new jets? Perhaps only ordered half of what they did and kept some of the 727s in service?
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RE: Strike Talks At ATA

Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:02 pm

This has happened so many times in the past. In '87 I got laid off there because ATA made a foray into scheduled service Where did they choose? DEN and ORD. They got their butts handed to them.

Later, they tried the same thing(I believe sometime in the '90's) and had to pull back. This time, they really went headlong into the scheduled thing and may not be able to just pull back into charter.

George may want to just liquidate and start over in charter.TC
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RE: Strike Talks At ATA

Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:36 am

That union isnt the smartest bunch of ducks. What they want to do is get released around the 22 of OCT, not now. Thirty days later puts the calendar close to the Thanksgiving holiday.
The company will listen, not shut down over those few days. Thanksgiving is always a heavy period for the carriers....always has been. They need that revenue.
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RE: Strike Talks At ATA

Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:32 am

Let's remember, there has never been a successful downsizing of an airline (you reduce your revenue potential far more than you reduce your operating costs)

For the most part, that's the case - downsizing is usually not the way to go...but couldn't you also argue that CO did downsize successfully when they closed their DEN hub? Even HP downsized to some degree following their trip through bankruptcy, and they're doing reasonably well.

But again, those weren't downsizing to the degree that could take place at TZ.
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RE: Strike Talks At ATA

Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:58 pm

 
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RE: Strike Talks At ATA

Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:50 pm

Did ATA expand to fast

Or did it just order its planes at the wrong time.

In 2000, ATA placed a large order for new Boeing 737-800 and Boeing 757-300 aircraft to expand its fleet for additional flights from Chicago Midway.

American Trans Air began in 1973. Charter status was given by the FAA in 1981 and ATA bought Boeing 707s and DC-10s, with Boeing 727s following in the early 1980s. With the lack of used DC-10s worldwide ATA switched to the Lockheed Tristar which, along with the Boeing 727s, replaced it's aging 707 fleet. In 2000 they were designated a major carrier with revenues over $1 billion dollars a year.

Interesting history from their web site. http://www.ata.com/about_ata/company_information/history.html


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