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DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:42 pm


DHL is threatening to transfer its European hub of Brussels to Leipzig,Germany or Vatry,France. The origins of these intentions back to the tough noise abatement measures taken by BRU under the pressures of the Zaventem neighbourhood. DHL's A300s and MD-11s are considered noisy and so disliked for intercontinental and European night flights which make the backbone of the DHL traffic. According to a key DHL director, the airline may quit BRU or ask for a special permission to fly these undesired types until finding another quite type...

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DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:51 pm

I suspect they will move to Vatry in time.Why are politicians in Belgium shooting themselves in the foot?
 
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Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:35 pm


Is the MD-11 so noisy ? What about the 727s and the early A300s ?!

BRU has established special night take-off and landing paths that may reduce noise "pollution" around the airport, but the problem is that constructing permits are still being delivered although the prohibiting law of 1977. Just this morning, i watched a report on RTBF in which houses were built just steps through the ATC tower and the noise abatement wall !!! A real pleasure for A.netters indeed !!!
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Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:08 pm

The whole DHL issue has been the main headline on the news in Belgium for the last two weeks: it's a circus of grotesk proportions. The different governments in belgium are accusing each other of everying and anything, are accusing DHL of changing its mind halfway through the talks, and DHL accuses the government of changing the rules. Personally I'm surprised by the patience DHL has shown in this case. If I were them, I'd have given the middle finger to our 'fantastic' politicians a long time ago...
 
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Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:26 pm


...they seem to be neglecting the thousands of workers that may loose their jobs DHL quits BRU !!!

I think it's better to loose a few minutes of sleeping than becoming jobless in a clap of hands !!!
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DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:27 pm

If you take into account, who the major shareholder of DHL is nowadays and if you consider, how a combination of the DHL- with the overnight mail activities of the said main sharehodler would benefit the entire operation (e.g. economy of scale), you will understand, why Vatry is already almost certainly out of the race.
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Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:30 pm

Have to agree with TriStar500. In addition, LEJ has already got approval to support DHL´s move to LEJ with some money. I suppose BRU will keep some operations, but it will basically move away from there.

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DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:31 pm

What MD-11s does DHL operate?

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DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:22 am

Boeing 764

I was wondering the same thing. Since when did DHL start flying
MD-11's????? Are there any Mad Dogs painted in that hideous
Yellow scheme?
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RE: DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:27 am

The MD-11F that is flying for DHL is actually a WOA a/c. It flies 5x week DAY/BRU/DAY on behalf on Menlo Wirldwide.


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RE: DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:44 am


Clipper002,

If the plane is operating on behalf of Menlo Worldwide, wouldn't DHL just
have a blocked space agreement on the plane and hence not being
operated by DHL???? Menlo Worldwide is the former Emery Worldwide/
CFAirfreight and their U.S. hub is DAY, while DHL has their hub at CVG
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RE: DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:28 am

Looked at the company schedules. Shows:

Operated by: Gemini Air Cargo
Flight Number: 8284
Departure City: Brussels, Belgium (EBBR)
Departure Time: 03:30 AM
Arrival City: New York, NY (JFK)
Arrival Time: 05:20 AM
Aircraft Type: Boeing MD11

ops Tues-Sat, departs 30 minutes later on Saturday.
 
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RE: DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:33 am

Tristar500 and Flying-Tiger,

Are you guys referring to Deutshe Post? I am trying to remember if it is them. Can you give me a yes or no? Thanks.
 
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RE: DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Fri Oct 01, 2004 2:41 am

Yes, it is Deutsche Post who nowadays owns DHL. Part of their global strategy.

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RE: DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:59 am

DHL have an alliance with Lufthansa Cargo and a lot of the MD-11Fs operated fly on LH flight numbers but carry mainly DHL product.
Nottingham EMA has 3x MD11Fs each weekday night...
CGN>EMA>JFK (GCO aircraft)
CVG>EMA>CVG (LH aircraft)
HKG>SHJ>CGN>BGY>EMA>CGN>HKG (LH aircraft)
So if there are Lufty MD11Fs passing thru BRU they are probably on DHL flights as is the World machine.
The vast majority of DHL's flights are on other carriers - eg Air Contractors, European Air Transport (wholly owned by DHL though) and lots of others.
If Bru doesn't want the MD11Fs then NEMA will have them  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:08 am

Yes, the whole DHL topic has been in all newspapers and discussed about on every TV station in Belgium for the past few weeks. It's becoming quite hilaric actually and a typical example of Belgian political inefficiency.

I wouldn't be surprised if DHL already made their decision to move most of their ops away from BRU a long time ago, no matter what they say in front of the camera.

I hope the best for the employees, but these surrounders of BRU are giving the politicians quite some nightmares. By surrounders, I do not only mean those living within 2km or so, but also those living away about 10 km away from BRU. It's quite horrible how all these action groups can almost block every single government here in Belgium (we do have quite some governments as a matter of fact).

My personal prediction: the Federal, Flemish and Brussels governments keep on discussion the next (few) week(s), way beyond any possible deadline and without making one inch of progress, and all of a sudden DHL makes a statement that they will move their European hub away from BRU.

Should this happen, I hope all those action groups rest their cases, feel good about themselves and who knows, maybe they'll start a discussion about freight trains or so?

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RE: DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:54 am

DHL have a major hub in CGN (At night the ramp is more or less divided between UPS, who´ve got their European hub there, and DHL). There have been rumours for a long time about DHL expanding, and it looks as if something is starting. Currently the old LSG catering building is being torn down. There is talk that, together with the removal of the unused transit terminal, the Deutsche Post building and the fueling company office buildings, DHL creates the space to build a new, enlarged sorting hub, similar to what UPS is currently building.

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RE: DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:04 pm


What about the FedEx presence in Europe ? Where's their EU hub situated ?
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RE: DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:48 pm

GARUDROD
By flying as WO on behalf of Menlo, we can carry CAT A miltary cargo.

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RE: DHL May Withdraw MD-11 From BRU

Tue Oct 05, 2004 12:10 am

Tsi-Or,


The European hub of Fedex is in CDG.

UPs has main hubs in Louisville, Kentucky (SDF) USA; Ontario, California; Miami, Florida; Clark Airfield, Philippines and Cologne, Germany, plus plenty of regional hubs.

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