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News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:22 pm

Southwest may consider D/FW Airport
Gates to be vacated by Delta in February could entice carrier

By ERIC TORBENSON and SUZANNE MARTA / The Dallas Morning News

Southwest Airlines Co., which for years steadfastly avoided service from sprawling Dallas/Fort
Worth International Airport, may be softening its stance.

The discounter's chief executive said Thursday that executives are closely watching how D/FW fills
gates soon to be left vacant by Delta Air Lines Inc.

"It is definitely a situation that we are monitoring," Gary Kelly, who was named Southwest's CEO in
July, said in an interview.

"It remains true that we don't want to serve this region from D/FW for a variety of reasons. We want
to continue to serve the Dallas-Fort Worth region from Love Field, and nothing has changed there in
terms of our desires."

However, Mr. Kelly said, the airline could take a fresh look at D/FW Airport because of the
opportunity presented by Delta's decision to pull its hub.

The move will put thousands of passengers up for grabs starting in February.

Now D/FW's No. 2 carrier, Delta will probably keep only about 4 of its 19 exclusive-rights jet gates in Terminal E, freeing up the rest, airport officials said.

"The airline landscape is changing, and it's something we're going to continue to monitor," Mr. Kelly
said. "We're watching closely to see what service is added and by whom."

The rest of the article is at:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/100104dnbussouthwest.56b78.html

Don't know if the link will work, but it's a free registration...

Another interesting aspect of the article is that it mentions -possible- used 737s, presumably older
-300 models...

"Southwest's ability to jump into new markets has typical constraints, one of the biggest being
aircraft. The airline adds 29 planes next year and would likely go to the used 737 market if it needed more planes, especially in the first half of 2005, Mr. Kelly said."

"In this environment, we would get some very good deals," he said. "We are fortunate in that we've
got a good amount of cash on hand and a very strong balance sheet."










[Edited 2004-10-01 12:50:24]
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:34 pm

He is either making plans for a fleet addition of 737-800's from ATA's looming bankruptcy, or he's trying to goad AA into spending money they don't have on leasing Delta's gates in a pre-emptive move, and adding flights which probably won't be profitable (or Delta would not be discontinuing them).
 
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:37 pm

I think there's a spot for me in Market Planning!

Now we need to see this headline:

"Southwest watching AirTran"
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:43 pm

or he's trying to goad AA into spending money they don't have on leasing Delta's gates in a pre-emptive move

I think this is more realistic. Saying that they're monitoring the gate situation at DFW is sort of stating the obvious. Most carriers who aren't nearing liquidation are.

I don't think it'll happen. If it does, it'll be limited.
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:49 pm

USA Today also has an article on this.

I said it before I think it would work and work well!!!!!!!!!

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-10-01-swa-dallas_x.htm?csp=28&RM_Exclude=Juno
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:49 pm

>>>I think there's a spot for me in Market Planning!

You and TxAgKuwait both...  Big grin

I think that "Southwest [is] watching AirTran" is a foregone conclusion, and has been for some time. It's entirely conceivable that starting DFW could be a "containing" move re: AirTran, and a pre-emptive move re: JBLU (in the same way that starting PHL was).

This ought to be fun to watch.

The last SWA -200s are still scheduled to retire in mid-January 2005, so after that, -800s (ex-ATA or other) are anyone's guess, as are used -300s from other sources. I'm presuming that any used -300s acquired would have to be of the old-style "round-dial" type (versus EFIS), and I don't know that there are that many left out there that SWA doesn't already have in its fleet.
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:54 pm

I disagree (with ATLhomeCMH).. I think it's coming, and I think it'll rival PHL in terms of rapid expansion.

We'll definitely see nonstop service from DFW to:

PVD, PHL, BWI, BNA, STL, MCI, MDW, MCO, TPA, PHX, LAS, SLC, SAN, LAX, SNA, ONT, SJC, OAK, and SEA.

And, IMHO, these are decent possibilities as well:

RDU, FLL, CLE, CMH, MHT, BUF, OMA, RNO, JAX, IND, BUR, PDX, and the Wright-Shelby cities.



If they don't do it, someone else will........

[Edited 2004-10-01 15:01:54]
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:00 pm

"It remains true that we don't want to serve this region from D/FW for a variety of reasons. We want to continue to serve the Dallas-Fort Worth region from Love Field, and nothing has changed there in terms of our desires."

However, Mr. Kelly said, the airline could take a fresh look at D/FW Airport because of the opportunity presented by Delta's decision to pull its hub

One would not to think WN a predator but at least an opportunistic.
Seems I remember AA leasing up some gates at DAL and then eventually dropping the lease after Legend failed at considerable costs to AA

WN is a forward looking company but I suspect this is more about rattling AA cage at DFW with a few non committal statements at no cost to WN.

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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:00 pm

Would it be conceivable to see the retirement plan for the 200s change a bit? Keep them around - contained solely in the DAL markets - and take the 300s/500s/700s that go through that system for use at DFW...

Plus, there was the recent hubub over the "88 flight reduction". So there are a few open lines of flight there...
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:11 pm

>>>Would it be conceivable to see the retirement plan for the 200s change a bit?

Don't think so, given the cycle-related "aging aircraft" AD requirements. N721WN and N722WN just got parked in the last few days, so I think we're down to 10 now. Between now and 12/31, 5 more are supposed to go, and the last 5 a couple of weeks later in mid-January. Kinda hard to turn back the clock on cycles/hours...

>>>Plus, there was the recent hubub over the "88 flight reduction". So there are a few open lines of flight there...

At our utilization rates, that's eqivalent to about 8 aircraft, and I think that capability has already been redeployed as of 31OCT/01NOV, so that's not a factor for any potential DFW ops, if in fact they do eventually occur.
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:12 pm

I wouldn't put my money on ATA 738s just yet--as that would introduce added crew cost. My bet is on used -300s; but hey--I wouldn't have wagered they would run flights out of DFW so it remains to be seen. If they start DFW service-my guess would be BWI, PHX, HOU, LAS, LAX, MDW, MCO.
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:13 pm

I think the only 73G's that southwest will be owning will be the -700. The 800 and 900's are stretched, so they hold more people, but they have the same wing as the 700 (so the same fuel capacity) so the range isn't as great.....you know for those routes to hawaii and mexico that southwest is going to serve in the next few months  Big grin
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:51 pm

This whole DFW thing is very interesting, to tell you the truth. No one ever saw us serving PHL, but that is a whole different ball park. WN doesnt serve another airport 10 miles from PHL with 140 flights where headquarters is also located. Granted BWI is about 90 miles away, but still just a bit different scenario. I think it would work, but I also think that service should be limited so as not to hurt our DAL operations. Sure, HOU should be served as well as other cities that we serve from DAL, but not at the levels we currently serve from DAL. If this were to happen, the emphasis should be put on non-wright/shelby cities that could be cash cows for WN, such as LAX, SEA, PHX, LAS, MDW, PHL, MCO, BWI, etc. While I don't see this happening, It would be very interesting to see how it all played out if it did.
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:05 pm

I think the only 73G's that southwest will be owning will be the -700. The 800 and 900's are stretched, so they hold more people, but they have the same wing as the 700 (so the same fuel capacity) so the range isn't as great....

The range difference between the 73G and 738 is less than 200nm so I don't see that being an issue. The real kick in the balls is personell schedueling, a 738 requires a larger crew than a 73G.

This whole DFW thing is very interesting, to tell you the truth

WN and DFW sure turns me on, they are my airline of choice for DAL-HOU which I take at least 2 times a month minimum. I would fly WN much more often if I could use my RR and/or purchase direct tickets out of Texas....
 
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:16 pm

I think the only 73G's that southwest will be owning will be the -700. The 800 and 900's are stretched, so they hold more people, but they have the same wing as the 700 (so the same fuel capacity) so the range isn't as great....

The range difference between the 73G and 738 is less than 200nm so I don't see that being an issue. The real kick in the balls is personell schedueling, a 738 requires a larger crew than a 73G.



How about the 738X or 739X...Boeing has put these on the table but I never heard anything else after the initialk news release a couple years back. The -900X was supposedly to offer about a 3000nm range with higher thrust engines and an additional emergency exit to accomidate upto 209 pax...might be a better idea if we are going to have to add a FA for the 800...but overall I still agree that we wont add anything larger than the -700.
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:17 pm

...and there's plenty of room out there for those SWA pilots to taxi with an indicated airspeed....
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:20 pm

The Dallas-Fort Worth metro is so big and populated that a decent sized operation would not likely pull pax flying from Love Field. With the Wright-Shelby Amendment restrictions still in place at Love there are many existing markets from DFW that Southwest could easily enter and do well in. And most of these markets they are well established as a brand in.

To me, to not scoop up a bunch of those gates and start ~25 flights a day from DFW would be stupid. AirTran, JetBlue, and everyones' Grandma will be watching the situation there closely.
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:26 pm

WN wants nothing to do with the -800's. They like to have a quick turnaround and those are too long for that.
 
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:27 pm

One example of where this scenario is already taking place is here in Houston. While the majority of WN service to the area is to close-in HOU, they also serve far-flung IAH. Not only that, but IAH is the headquarters and hub of another major carrier, similar to the situation WN would be facing at DFW with AA. With that in mind, the idea seems plausible.

Anyway, to this (very) untrained observer, this seems like the perfect time for WN to expand out to DFW, because:

1) AA might not have the resources to fight back in the same way they might have in the past.

2) DFW will probably be willing to offer some pretty good incentives to attract someone (anyone!) to help fill up Terminal E, so if WN doesn't do it, then they will be allowing someone else to get a larger foothold on their market. Whether it's a new entrant, expansion of current services, or (most likely) a combination of both, somebody is going to take some of those gates.

 
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:28 pm

How about the 738X or 739X...Boeing has put these on the table but I never heard anything else after the initialk news release a couple years back.

Boeing states that they require an order for only 35-40 frames to begin production. This number might have dropped since so many MMA were ordered

The two derrivitives aren't exactly what they once were... I think Boeing now plans on using a common 737-IGW structure for the 737-MMA, 738X, 739X. They would all have feature a heavier wing, stronger landing gear, tankerage increase, uprated engines, and a MTOW of 185,000 lbs versus the 738's current 174,000 lb. The 739X would also have an additional exit door and flat pressure bulkhead to increase seating without a stretch. The 738X would be ideal for long-thin routes, and I can't help but think of CO using them across the Atlantic.

The 737NG would have these basic MTOW groups

- 185,000 lb (737-MMA/800X/900X)
- 174,000 lb (737-BBJ/BBJ2/800/900)
- 154,000 lb (737-700)
- 144,000 lb (737-600)

The Dallas-Fort Worth metro is so big and populated that a decent sized operation would not likely pull pax flying from Love Field

I completly agree... the L.A. area (while MUCH larger than the DFW area) has something like 4 WN airports. The DFW area has a population of 4+ million, it can sustain two airports.

[Edited 2004-10-01 16:29:42]
 
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:29 pm

>>>The range difference between the 73G and 738 is less than 200nm so I don't see that being an issue. The real kick in the balls is personell schedueling, a 738 requires a larger crew than a 73G.

The fact that an -800 would require a 4th F/A isn't as much as an insurmountable challenge as it sounds. Crew sked is readily able to keep track of -200 qualified crews as a subset of the whole group, and Dispatch/MX does the same with the aircraft. Our computer systems are robust!

Something else that's a possibility is that were -800s acquired (from ATA, or elsewhere), they could be on short-term leases (1-2 years, just to give Boeing enough time to get additional -700s in the pipeline for us), and not permanent acquistions.

Hey Kohflot, did you "move"?  Big grin
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:47 pm

It got a little cold.......
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:00 am

it sure would be convenient when non-reving though(if swa flew out of DFW)!!! I'm non-reving to Phoenix today and i have to go through albequerque, and to go to chicago or oakland or any of those far flung cities requires at least a stop at houston, usually another one or two before finally reaching your final destination. stupid wright-shelby.
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:01 am

People keep comparing LOV and DFW to HOU and IAH.

I think many fail to realize that the only service out of IAH is to Dallas Love with just six flights a day. That's it. They aren't really in competition with CO. Instead, they are offering businesses in the Woodlands, Greenspoint, and other places in the North Houston metro area, cheap, walk-up fares to central Dallas!
 
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:04 am

I've heard from several AA pilots that management has always been concerned that if DL were to close the DFW hub, then WN would consider setting up shop in Terminal E to fly to cities it can't serve out of DAL.

Air Tran is probably considering increasing service out of DFW, but it's still the "new kid" in town. WN has a loyal following, and I bet it could cause some headaches for AA at DFW.

 
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:50 am

How is the turn around on a -800 longer than that on a -700??? It's the same airplane... Anyway. I thought WN wouldn't pick up -800's because it would require an additional F/A, which WN didn't want to do, as it would cost extra money.
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:13 am

Point taken that WN is not competing with CO out of IAH - I thought they had more destinations than just DAL (and the cities they could connect to out of DAL).

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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:22 am

FYI - DFW metroplex has close to 5.6million
 
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:02 am

I think it would be a great idea for WN to fly out of DFW to places they can't fly out of DAL. I would love it since I live 8 miles from DFW and about 20 from DAL. I fly WN at least once a month if not more. I think FL and WN both have great chances to take adavatage of DL departure. We will have to see who bites first. I think WN has cash and planes to bring in while FL will have to struggle with planes unless they want to lease again.

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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:44 am

AA would kill WN if they moved to DFW.. The smartest thing they could do is stay at DAL. If it's not broken why fix it?
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:51 am

The point appears to be that Southwest would be interested in DFW IF the price was right. They say that they are quite happy at Love Field, and that's a way of telling the folks at DFW, 'How much are we REALLY worth to you?'

As for possible cities from DFW, up here in New England it seems that Providence (PVD) and Manchester (MHT) go in lock-step with each other. PVD usually gets a route and then MHT eventually gets it, too. With only a few exceptions, PVD and MHT mirror each other when it comes to Southwest's schedules.

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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:33 am

Captoveur:

What could AA do about it? They've already been forced to lower fares in the DFW-LA market and any market Southwest goes into from DFW will likely see the same move. The not-so-funny part for American is that they'll likely start taking losses on those routes while Southwest makes money on them.

They don't have a bunch of planes sitting around to dump capacity into certain markets, and I don't think they would be willing to accept those losses just to attempt to chase Southwest out. They learned their lesson at DAL, too.

If anything, it looks like DFW is heading the way of ATL.. a strong network carrier and a strong LCC that coexist. Of course, one day it'll be Canyon Blue airplanes at both airports.. but that's for a different thread.. Big grin

[Edited 2004-10-01 23:34:36]
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:36 am

"AA would kill WN if they moved to DFW.. The smartest thing they could do is stay at DAL. If it's not broken why fix it?"

Saying that AA would kill WN assumes that AA COULD kill WN. If AA tried to kill WN, that would result in its own suicide.
 
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:39 am

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If that is the case, how come Ryanair can allow LESS time for turns (25 compared to 30-40 minutes) than WN, while flying mostly 738s

I think that WN will probably pick up some used 733s, possibly from DL. It would not matter if they had glass cockpit or not, as their pilots fly 733/735 and 73G all the time and don't have a problem. If DL does not have the software WN uses to keep them common, they can surely install it. Also, I am betting that Boeing could talk AM and a few others into waiting a month so their best customer can get some planes more quickly. I doubt they would get bigger planes, simply because they seem to favor frequency
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:54 am

>>> It would not matter if they had glass cockpit or not, as their pilots fly 733/735 and 73G all the time and don't have a problem. If DL does not have the software WN uses to keep them common, they can surely install it.

The 733 EFIS and 737NG EFIS are two different things... It is not quite the simple matter of taking a DL733 and changing the EFIS software and "poof" you've got a 737NG EFIS.

On some aircraft, "glass cockpits" can be as little as an EHSI/EADI instead of HSI/ADI.
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 10:54 am

Southwest could, if they chose, open up DFW as a large-scale station and there is bupkus AA could do about it. WN is not Vanguard, not Legend. WN can price their lift at rates AA can only match by losing money on every flight, money AA no longer has to lose.

I think there's another possible scenario, and I am surprised that it has not been raised here yet.

I envision WN being fully prepared to open up DFW, and make good money there, with agonizing consequence to AA's ability to persistently rape its O&D customers in the DFW area as it has done for years.

I also envision AA and WN brokering a deal by which WN agrees to remain at DAL, and AA agrees to withdraw its remaining objection to repeal of the Wright Amendment.

It makes good sense; WN can crush AA on volume and price (and, if they open up DFW as a station, they will!).

Under my (brilliantly-conceived) scenario, AA maintains its dominance at DFW and can still claim to have a service distinction (even if it is essentially illusory); WN gets what they want (but have avoided militating for)- the legal right to serve more distant destinations from DAL.

At the very least, a compromise could maintain the Wright/Shelby restrictions on non-stop flights out of DAL, but allow for through-ticketing.

AA may have wished for Delta's withdrawal- but may now be wondering at what they wished for!

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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:00 am

>>>I also envision AA and WN brokering a deal by whcih WN agrees to remain at DAL, and AA agrees to withdraw its remaining objection to repeal of the Wright Amendment.

Get AA to add jumpseats for WN's dispatchers and the deal would work for me...  Big grin
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:05 pm

If WN sets up shop at DFW, and that is no means certain, it can cause some hurt at AA, but it can't kill AA.

DL is going to vacate about 15 gates in Terminal E. While WN typically runs more planes through a gate than AA, AA has over 90 gates. WN simply can't match AA on every route. WN will go after some of the more lucrative destinations, like LAX, OAK, SEA, FLL, MDW, ISP, PVD, and BWI.

What would be interesting is whether AA would decide to do a wholesale upgrade of service, if WN went into DFW.

 
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:56 pm

To clarify, when I stated WN could "crush" AA, I meant on head-to-head routes, not that I believe WN would (or would try to) deal a death blow to AA.
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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:16 pm

WN has a lot of money in the bank, WN is making tons of money (though less than previous years, but who isn't right now?), WN has planes on order, WN has entered markets only to dominate them within a matter of months (or weeks as witnessed in PHL).

AA does not have a lot of money in the bank, AA is not making a lot of money (if any), AA's fleet has been reduced to cut costs by losing fleet types, AA has been starting new routes only to discontinue them within 2 years or less (LGB-JFK etc.).

Yes, DFW is AA's largest and most profitable hub. However, no carrier has had the financial capability and size (money and aircraft) to effectively compete with them at DFW. DL's costs seemed to be around those of AA's (from at glance) while WN's is much much less. With 15 possible gates opening up, WN really could do some damage to AA. And once AA customers become loyal WN flyers, they'll have to rethink their DFW presence as hub. If WN can operate 40+ daily flights from only 4 gates at PHL, just imagine how many flights they can schedule from 15.

I strongly believe that if WN begins operations at DFW, AA will have to match WN's fares (who knows how long they'll be able to afford doing that) and bring their costs down to that of WN's within the amount of time they'll need to avoid filing for bankruptcy. The airline industry is changing, and cost structuring and efficiency is the name of the game. AA's strategy of de-peaking their hubs was a great idea, but they'll have to be able to do more than that if they want to keep DFW as a profitable operation.

This is going to be interesting. I like AA's service and hope that they will weather through the hard times and emerge as a key player in the airline industry for years to come. After all, they are one of our original airlines and have many milestones behind them.

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RE: News Article On SWA At DFW

Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:52 pm

I'm sure a few American Airlines executives are choking over their cereal (well, they will be a few hours from now) on reading this.

"Why not just shoot us now?" is probably a thought running through their heads.

Frankly, I've always thought the Wright Amendment was pretty stupid, but if this is the way WN has to work around it, so be it. Assuming DL will still have several daily flights to its hub airports from DFW, how many flights will it leave behind it? With so many runways at DFW, is there actually a limit to the number of flights WN can add? Yes, it's a busy airport, but we're not talking LGA, SFO or ORD here. This may well have an influence on WN's decision.

If WN did start services to DFW, it would probably cause AA severe pain. This really is the last thing it needs. That said, if this the result of AA's opposition to any change to the Wright Amendment, then they're asking for their stance to come up and bite them in the behind.

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