AlitaliaMD11
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United And Madrid

Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:48 am

Hello

I have this ongoing question in my mind.

Why does United not fly to Madrid?

I find it would be a good market to fly competing against United and Delta as well as Iberia from ORD.

United could fly the route from IAD,JFK,LAX,or ORD.

I think that this would be a good idea, they could opperate with the 767/777.

They could start in 2005.
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AMS
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RE: United And Madrid

Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:55 am

United Airlines has flown to Madrid in the 90's from Washington Dulles Airport with 763 aircraft. UA pulled out MAD, since the IAD-MAD afther a while was not profitable anymore.

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AlitaliaMD11
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RE: United And Madrid

Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:57 am

Hey

i find that strange that i cudnt find a photo of UA at Madrid.
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Azul320
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RE: United And Madrid

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:01 am

United's customers can code-share on US Airways to Madrid via PHL
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Iberia340600
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RE: United And Madrid

Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:14 am

Yeah..I love US Airways flight out of PHL...its US airways....a.k.a. Spanair..a.k.a. United Airlines.....its a triple coded flight!!!
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RE: United And Madrid

Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:18 am

Spanair briefly flew the Dulles-Madrid route in the late 90s/early 2000s. I don't know exactly when they started and stopped the flight but I remember seeing the aircraft at Dulles. If the pleasure travel, high yield passengers and cargo could make money, I'm sure either United or Spanair would restart the route.
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dutchjet
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RE: United And Madrid

Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:32 am

UA served Madrid from IAD with a 763 for several years but later cut the route due to low yeilds. UA then offered code-share service with Spanair on the IAD-MAD route; the route was again flown with a 763 but the Spanair aircraft had a different (more charter-like configuration) and UA passengers were less than impressed. The Spanair service did not last very long, and the route was dropped altogether.

Routes from the US to Southern European destinations (ie, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece) can be difficult, the routes are quite seasonal and there is far less business/premium/full fare on these routes.....in this case, routes to northern European capitals (such as Paris, Frankfurt, Brussels) are more interesting and more profitable for the airlines. That being said, UA should have been able to make the IAD-MAD flight work, IAD is a good gateway for services to Europe especially backed up by the UA hub at that airport.
 
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RE: United And Madrid

Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:12 pm

There is no market for UA to make a profit in MAD with AA and Iberia flying there.

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RE: United And Madrid

Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:14 pm

AA777jr,
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aa777jr
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RE: United And Madrid

Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:16 pm

yes yes, DL and US also have flights into MAD, from ATL and PHL respectively.

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RE: United And Madrid

Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:31 pm

And... don't forget CO's daily EWR-MAD flight, operating the 772ER. I've flown this route on Business First on several occassions and have been very satisfied with CO's service.
 
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RE: United And Madrid

Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:25 am


Let's not forget that DL also flies from JFK and it's currently the only american airline flying to Barcelona.
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RE: United And Madrid

Sun Oct 03, 2004 12:42 am

With TAP soon to join the Star Alliance, maybe UA or TAP will offer flights, ORD to LIS and IAD to LIS. TAP has a much better network with better connecting opportunities than does Spanair.
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ContinentalEWR
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RE: United And Madrid

Sun Oct 03, 2004 2:14 am

United did fly fly IAD to MAD with a 763. The Spanair flight operated with a 763. United flew the route briefly, in 1992/3 with a 762 and occasionally, a 747-100/200.

United also flew IAD-MXP-FCO-MXP-IAD with a mix of 762/741/742 and eventually dropped the MXP-FCO tag and kept IAD-MXP with 763 and 777 until November 2003, when the route was axed.

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AlitaliaORD
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RE: United And Madrid

Sun Oct 03, 2004 5:14 am

Chicago to Lisbon? :-( dont count on it
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sfointern
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RE: United And Madrid

Sun Oct 03, 2004 6:11 am

Why is there a relative dearth of American carriers going to Spain? The last time I went to Barcelona, I flew TWA, but as we all know, that's now kaput. I'd think Spain's a great vacation spot as well as a pretty important commercial and political spot.
 
nzblue
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RE: United And Madrid

Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:04 am

United also flew IAD-MXP-FCO-MXP-IAD

I do believe that the routing was (at least towards the end of FCO service) IAD-FCO-MXP-IAD. I clearly remember flying United to FCO (on a 763) and I remember we were able to get to Rome non-stop from Dulles, but the return was via MXP.

I really, really wish UA would reinstate service to Italy. If SO MANY of the other major US carriers can make Italy work for them, why couldn't United? Perhaps someday they'll return.

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StevenUhl777
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RE: United And Madrid

Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:39 am

UA operated #910/#911 between IAD and MAD. I think it was discontinued around 9/11, but maybe someone else can confirm the actual date range.

I did fly through UA's codeshare with SpanAir, in July 2001. I was impressed with the cabin on the flight over, very clean, updated, and the service was great. The plane coming home was older, and the flight overall was not as good as the flight to MAD. About an hour before I landed in IAD, we flew over NYC, and I saw the WTC from FL370.

United is no longer in a position to add any flight for prestige reasons, and is why we haven't seen resumption of service using UA equipment. If anything, it will continue to be via codeshare. The events at US may change things, i.e. SpanAir may consider operating the flight again, and revenue-sharing with UA.
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ContinentalEWR
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RE: United And Madrid

Sun Oct 03, 2004 10:37 am

United's IAD-MAD route was axed long, long before 9/11. Around 1994. It was part of a series of routes scrapped out of IAD several years after UA began transatlantic service. Others that were dropped were IAD-GLA and the CDG-ATH, CDG-GVA, and CDG-ZRH extensions of its SFO/LAX/IAD/ORD to CDG tags.
 
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RE: United And Madrid

Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:03 am

I flew IAD-MAD in the summer of 94. They dropped it a year later.

Regarding JK flying the route, they axed the flight soon after 9/11 when they returned all their 767s.