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Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:02 am

Air Tahiti Nui's nonstop Tahiti - New York service will use JFK airport when its launches in July of 2005.

The flight will operate 3 times per week initialy and arrive JFK at 3pm, returning back to Tahiti at 5pm.

The airline will also offer onestop direct connection to Sydney Australia on two of the three days.

To coincide with the JFK route, Air Tahiti Nui will receive its 5th A340.




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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:05 am

Hey

any idea which terminal?

I dont know if this route is going to do so good but well see....

I plan to fly it.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:06 am

How long would that flight be? Plus, they would have to use a A345 to do that, right?
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:08 am

COEWR2587

I think they can use a A340-300, there was talk of a A345 but the decided to keep the A340-300 for the route.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:24 am

The 345 was considered for Paris non-stop but they decided to keep their one-stop strategy.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:46 am

I thought that TN would be picking EWR... what a great sight that would be in EWR... It'd be nice if they chose ORD too...  Smile
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:49 am

I'm surprised they chose JFK. It is considered the "premier" international airport, but EWR has all of the domestic connecting traffic.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:57 am

NYC-PPT is practically the same length as MUC-SIN, a route served with A340-300s regularly: not sure how the winds compare on those two segments, but I'd say that it shouldn't be that much of a problem: 5457nm (great circle route for NYC-PPT - don't know how long the actually flown route will be) is well within the 7400nm range that Airbus mentions for the A340-300 in that "typical 3-class-seating arrangement".

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:10 am

I want to see an A340 do 7400 nm. Both Airbus and Boeing over state range so much, it sickens me. I think they use numbers with PAX and bags, 0 cargo. Anyway, a 343 should be fine for JFK. Also, connecting traffic is probably not their goal here, as LAX is better for that (it is on the way, where JFK would be going backwards from almost anywhere in the US). This will be a mostly O&D and Euro connecting flight (better at JFK than EWR). They are smart to keep the 1 stop, they get PAX in LA for both PPT and CDG
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:19 am

Look for lots of Princess Cruise passengers on this new JFK-PPT flight....Princess bases 2 ships at PPT during most of the year and recently, Princess has been working closely with TN and cutting back on charter flights in and out of PPT. There is, of course, a huge population within driving distance of the NYC airports to support this service....as pointed out above, this new flight will be marketed to O&D pax (plus cruise pax) and TN will also try to attract some NYC-SYD traffic.

TN did consider the A345, but as correctly metioned above, that type would have operated a nonstop PPT-CDG service and TN decided against it....firstly, the flights via LAX work just fine and secondly, this small airline would have a second type in its fleet and operating just one A345 would be a financial drain. The A343 should have no problem with the JFK-PPT route.

Anyone know where the next TN A343 is coming from?
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:24 am

Another related question:

Last week I was in SCL, and in the main hall there was a huge photo of an A343 of Air Tahiti Nui hanging from the roof of the main hall (international terminal), without any information. This is the first time I see the image of any airline inside the airport

Does TN have any plan of flying to South America? After all, LAN flies to PPT, so TN could claim reciprocity.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:31 am

I actually met some people on my flight back from my mother's birthday LAX-MSY (via IAH) who had flown TN. They said it was a really nice flight with good service and the best economy class food they had ever had. They described it and it sounded almost like a J class meal.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:35 am

Great news!!!!!! I would guess T4 although they have a partnership with AA so perhaps Terminal 8.

I wonder how this will affect QF's JFK-LAX-SYD service though.........
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:42 am

The 5th A340-300 will be brand new off the production line. It will be named after Nuku Hiva which largest of 12 islands in the Marquesas Island chain.

The A340-300 can operate JFK-PPT nonstop without a problem. Flight time will be around 12 hours.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:46 am

New huh, I wonder if they grabbed someone's delivery spot, as a 1 off would be really expensive. This should have more profit potential than the QF flight, as TN can sell tickets on all segments, while QF cannot sell LAX-JFK-LAX
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:49 am

don't think QF's JFK-LAX-SYD service would be affected much as the frequency of the TN services simply don't match plus TN is nowhere in any frequent flyer program, a really nice route though. QF might code share with TN on the route as they do on most routes to SYD by whatever south pacific carrier and i remember that TN's news did say the SYD will also bring traffic from mainland china in which case i would think the only way to do so is to connect QF129/130 at SYD
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:55 am

Both Airbus and Boeing over state range so much

Pray tell, exactly how do they do that....



I think they use numbers with PAX and bags, 0 cargo.

Exactly, calculated for still air.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 6:59 am

I believe that this was all discussed in an earlier post,sorry cant find the link for it. But the flight is 12h 35m or close to that. Also there are only 6 First Class Seats which I dont get. Tried to fly LAX-PPT with them in First and couldnt do it. With all the money in New York i would think they would have more seats. Also I will bet there are a lot of members of oneworld who have some miles to blow and them and their spouses for a nice vacation flying to PPT in first class.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:02 am

AlitaliaMD11,
I think we all plan on flying this route. Just kidding, it would be so nice though. I really would like to go to the canary isles and Tahiti!
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:02 am

The one problem they may run into is that 3 PM arrival, 5 PM turn around. If they get stacked up over JFK which happens a lot in the winter, or they have a late departure out of Tahiti, the flight going back will end up delayed.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 7:13 am

Interesting that they have an F class. Would expect them to do a Biz/First kind of thing. 6 F class seats really is not too bad, considering they also have 24 J class, making 30 premium class seats overall. This leaves room for 264 Coach seats that don't usually sell at deep discounts, or get sold in bulk to Pleasant and cruise lines. That is why they have so many flights a day to LAX. As far as FF goes, you can't earn miles (which sucks on such a long flight) but can spend AAdvantage and World Perks
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:13 am

"Look for lots of Princess Cruise passengers on this new JFK-PPT flight....Princess bases 2 ships at PPT during most of the year and recently, Princess has been working closely with TN and cutting back on charter flights in and out of PPT. There is, of course, a huge population within driving distance of the NYC airports to support this service....as pointed out above, this new flight will be marketed to O&D pax (plus cruise pax) and TN will also try to attract some NYC-SYD traffic."

This is wrong. Princess has only one ship based in Papeete and it's the Tahitian Princess, which holds a maximum of 700 passengers. The Pacific Princess (sister ship to the Tahitian) is scheduled to visit Papeete for one cruise in 2005 and the Diamond Princess is scheduled for one cruise in 2006.

Also, I flew to PPT via LAX in July and I was pleasantly surprised by Air Tahiti's service.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:53 pm

Also, I flew to PPT via LAX in July and I was pleasantly surprised by Air Tahiti's service.

Everybody seems to be pleasantly surprised by their service!  Smile
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:57 pm

it'll just be nice to see a different plane w/ awsome colors!!! compared to the regular euro-white thats on all the other carriers (for the exception of KLM, UA, and AA)


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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 5:01 pm

N1120a,

Don't forget that even though QF can't sell tickets from JFK-LAX, the connecting flight, in addition to SYD traffic, also has pax connecting to the MEL and BNE nonstops at LAX in addition to NAN and any other south Pacific destinations served out of LAX.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:38 pm

Tried to fly LAX-PPT with them in First and couldnt do it. With all the money in New York i would think they would have more seats. Also I will bet there are a lot of members of oneworld who have some miles to blow and them and their spouses for a nice vacation flying to PPT in first class.

Correct me if I am wrong or things have changed, but when I inquired with AAdvantage about a year there was no AAdvantage award travel in First Class, only Business or Economy.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:26 pm

NY will do very well, as any megapolis with lots of wealthy people needing good weather and sunny holidays would.

btw, they decided to drop the A345 plans for Paris nonstop, they have 1x 343 on the orderbook, and are seriously considering the yet unreleased A346 HGW (higher gross weight) for the bigger routes like LAX and NRT whilst the 343s get shifted to new markets like JFK.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:34 pm

I flew Air Tahiti Nui to PPT from LAX in June and I was really dissapointed by the service - on both outbound and return flights either one or both of our personal TV's were broken, the flights were full so they couldn't swap our seats but they made no effort to do anything and really didn't care and even apologise. Considering the length of flight and how much we paid for the tickets, I really do expect more and would avoid flying with them in the future.

As for slots, the french government look after French Polynesia very carefully - I am sure they will have looked after getting a good price and slot from Airbus.
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:40 pm

I'm surprised they chose JFK. It is considered the "premier" international airport, but EWR has all of the domestic connecting traffic.

Only a moron would fly all the way across country, to then connect to go back west. In this case, I don't think connecting traffic mattered much.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:28 am

Hey

JFK does have its share of domestic flights, with Jet Blue and Song and America West, as well as United,American, and Indy Air.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:57 am

Only a moron would fly all the way across country, to then connect to go back west. In this case, I don't think connecting traffic mattered much.

Indeed. Perhaps they will have some connecting traffic from BOS or DCA, but I'd guess that it will be mostly an O&D flight.......If any city can sustain it, NYC can.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:16 am

"Only a moron would fly all the way across country, to then connect to go back west. In this case, I don't think connecting traffic mattered much."

25% of the US population lives within 250 miles of the NYC Tri-State area, when talking about connection advantages at EWR over JFK they would be to Washington National, Boston, Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Hartford, Manchester NH, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Montreal etc..

All major Northeast US/Canadian Cities with little or no service to JFK.

Newark Airport is bordered by Interstate 95 (NJ Turnpike) and Amtrak's Northeast corridor, both of which serve as the main arteries of transportation of goods and people up and down the Northeast corridor between Boston and Washington DC.

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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:28 am

STT:
BUF, ROC, and SYR have a lot of JFK service, unless you have forgotten B6. BOS, YUL, and DCA all have multiple dailies, allowing any passengers connecting to TN plenty of opportunity to do so.
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:53 am

It would have been better if Air Tahiti flew to EWR rather than JFK as there are better connections to other important East Coast cities and ORD from EWR than from JFK.

Plus from EWR, they could have managed to partner with CO on important routes and maybe have gotten CO to codeshare with them on their EWR-PPT flight as well as the PPT-SYD leg !!!
 
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:04 am

"BOS, YUL, and DCA "

Correct me if Im wrong but AA and DL combined have a whopping five daily flights between JFK and DCA, all regional Jets. And atleast at EWR there's CO and Air Canada for flights to Montreal, Toronto etc..
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RE: Air Tahiti Nui Picks JFK As NY Area Airport

Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:55 pm

STT757

One of the 5 dailies to DCA from JFK is an MD80, so it's not all regional jets.

Obviously, Air Tahiti Nui isn't banking on connections, if so they would have picked EWR over JFK.

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