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Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Sat Mar 04, 2000 10:21 am

Can any one please tell me which is the biggest airline in the world??]

Thanks.
 
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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Sat Mar 04, 2000 10:24 am

United.
 
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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Sat Mar 04, 2000 4:40 pm

United Airlines
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There Are Different Classifications;

Sat Mar 04, 2000 6:55 pm

The different clarifications;

No one carries more people than DELTA.
No one flies further than UNITED.
No one has more planes than AMERICAN.
No one flies more INTERNATIONAL passengers than BRITISH AIRWAYS.

Hope this helps!




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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Sat Mar 04, 2000 7:34 pm

Northwest has more DC9's than anyone.
Southwest has more LUV than anyone.
FedEx carries more freight than anyone.
Continental flies to EWR more than anyone.
JetBlue has more hype than anyone.
TWA has more debt than anyone.
 
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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Sun Mar 05, 2000 4:43 am

I believe American Airlines and it's parent company (AMR) have the most $$.
 
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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Sun Mar 05, 2000 4:58 am

hehe! the largest regional airline in the world(i think, i know its the largest in the US) is Mesa Air Group...
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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Sun Mar 05, 2000 11:51 pm

Britannia is the worlds largest charter airline.
 
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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Mon Mar 06, 2000 7:51 am

It depends on what factor you are using to make an airline top of the world. Either passenger loads per quarter or number of planes and routes offered....
However, I'm going with a close tie... between BA British Airlines and United with Delta next picking up the most passenger loads for any one givin quarter.
 
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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Mon Mar 06, 2000 7:54 am

United is the largest airline in the world but I think that American has the largest fleet. Could someone clarify this?
 
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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Mon Mar 06, 2000 7:56 am

It depends on what factor you are using to make an airline top of the world. Either passenger loads per quarter or number of planes and routes offered....
However, I'm going with a close tie... between BA British Airlines and United with Delta next picking up the most passenger loads for any one givin quarter.
 
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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Mon Mar 06, 2000 7:59 am

Actually, AirT, American Eagle Airlines is the largest regional in the world (and the US). Since the Eagle carriers merged, with the exception of San Juan-based Executive, American Eagle has been a single airline that is larger than any other regional. They are also something like the fifth largest airline in the US in terms of daily departures.
 
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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Mon Mar 06, 2000 8:00 am

The standard measurement for the largest airline (as accepted by IATA, etc.) is by **revenue passenger miles**, in which United is the leader, and has a very large lead over its nearest competitors, Delta and American.

FLY777UAL
 
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RE: AIRBUS4ME

Mon Mar 06, 2000 3:14 pm

AIRBUS4ME....

I can understand why you might think that United and Delta are in a tie for most passengers per quater... but British Airways?!?!?!

British Airways carried something like 60 million people, while United carried something like 85 million (correct me if I am wrong about that particular number) and Delta carried 106 million people!!!!

No Contest!!!!!!!! Delta & United are way out in front! And Delta is way ahead of United!

Altho I accept that in RPMs then United is larger.

Hope this clears up some of the confusion.



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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Mon Mar 06, 2000 3:58 pm

Through November 1999, United had 80.15 million revenue passengers for 1999. So there!
 
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United Airlines

Mon Mar 06, 2000 5:10 pm

United is the largest airline in the world, in financial income and in fleet/company size. We aren't only the biggest, we're the best! And we aren't the best because we are the biggest, we are the biggest because we're the best!  
 
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RE: United Airlines

Mon Mar 06, 2000 5:20 pm

You say that United is the biggest in financial income....how much of this income is translated into profit? UA is not the most profitable airline in the world, far from it in fact.

You say that UA is the best. How many international awards have they won for international and domestic service? They may be the best in your eyes, but they are not the best in the eyes of the travelling public.

By using your comments, we are the biggest because we are the best. Does this mean that when Aeroflot was the largest airline in the world with over 2,000 aircraft and over 500,000 employees, that they were the best airline also?
 
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To Be More Clear

Mon Mar 06, 2000 5:22 pm

However one chooses to judge an airline's size, UAL is the largest.

1)United makes 3 times the amount of money than that of its nearest competitors, American and Delta. Secondly, UAL's income is much higher than the public thinks. It is meant to be that way.

2)UAL has by far the most planes in its fleet. go ahead- research it. If you count all planes in storage, service, and out on lease, (not even counting on order) you'll see we have the most.

3)I would feel safe in saying, regardless of any other factors, that the airline that makes the most money per year gross net income is the largest. It really is beside the point how many planes or employees it has, (although again we have the most in both areas). And that airline which makes the most money is UAL.
 
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Brissie

Mon Mar 06, 2000 6:30 pm

Everyone is entitled to their own oppinion, you included. For you to say that UAL has not the largest profit is rubbish. You, the general flying public have no idea as to how much profit UAL makes. I wasn't even including the net profits all of the hotels and such UAL owns. UAL does in fact make the most net profit than any other airline. Even AVIATION WEEK ackowledges that fact. and you gave no supporting evidence showing otherwise. And An airline can't make the most money and not be the best - its simply not possible. Passengers would take their money and go else where we weren't the best, therefore we would not be the top net income airline in the world.
 
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RE: Timobear

Mon Mar 06, 2000 8:12 pm

Can you please tell me how much net profit UAL made last year?

Is UAL not listed on the stock exchange over there, and if so, it is required by law to declare all profits, and cannot keep profits hidden. If they were to do this, the IRS would have a field day with them.
 
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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Mon Mar 06, 2000 8:18 pm

Biggest = Best?

Oh Dear.

Have you ever heard of a few (atmittedly non-US) airlines called, Virgin Atlantic, Emirates, Singapore Airlines?

I think most people would believe that these "small" airlines would wipe the floor with UAL in terms of service.
 
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Further To Timobear

Mon Mar 06, 2000 8:56 pm

As eg777er say above, airlines like SQ, VS, EK, CX would wipe out UA in terms of international service. The best domestic carrier in the world is AN, a partner in which UA would be best advised to take some notes from in terms of service.

Just because an airline carries more passengers, does not mean that people 'choose' them. It is often a case that that particular airline is the only viable choice on a particular route. You try flying from Chicago to Los Angeles. What real choice is there?

Lets say for a minute that SQ competed head on with UA over domestic US services, far fetched I know, but people's preferences in terms of service, reliability and overall happiness, would leave SQ so far out in front, UAL wouldn't know if it was coming or going!

Having flown in the US on various domestic airlines, I would say that the best domestic airline is Southwest. It is a fun experience flying with them, not the dreary experience I had with UA. Why does not UA take on SWA? One would think the BEST airline in the world could do this with no worries. I will tell you why, the customer would not CHOOSE UA over WN on very few occasions; cheap fares, realible service, point-to-point service (not through a hub) and more importantly in this day and age, fun to fly with.
 
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RE: Further To Timobear

Tue Mar 07, 2000 9:46 am

Who cares who is the biggest or the best where all just here to look at photos of airliners.OK...... OK.
 
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Brissie_lions

Tue Mar 07, 2000 10:30 am

"The best domestic carrier in the world is AN, a partner in which UA would be best advised to take some notes from in terms of service"
--Well hey, bucko. If you're going to compare onboard service, at least compare it where the airline environments are the same! AN may have wonderful service, but in reality, they only compete with one other airline, and if the prices are the same as the other airline, then AN will use food as a GIMMICK! Examine the US market where there are about 15 different airlines flying [primarily] the same routes, most of those airlines being super low-fare, and THEN come back and tell me about onboard service.

"You try flying from Chicago to Los Angeles. What real choice is there?"
--Besides UA and AA flying that route, both with MANY flights a day, one could try AA via DFW, DL via DFW, TW via STL, DL via SLC, F9 via DEN, CO via IAH. The possibilities are almost limitless, and the travel times are close enough to being the same as ORD-LAX nonstop.

"Why does not UA take on SWA?"
--Umm...been there done that [still doing that, really]. That's exactly what United Shuttle was formed for about 5 years ago--to compete with SW on the short West Coast flights, and they're doing a mighty fine job at it, too!

"Lets say for a minute that SQ competed head on with UA over domestic US services, far fetched I know, but people's preferences in terms of service, reliability and overall happiness, would leave SQ so far out in front..."
--Yea, it would leave SQ so far out infront until they ended up pulling out of the US Domestic market for lack of profitability. I would love to see SQ come into the US, put nice service on flights, and then find out that the service that they provide puts too high of a price on tickets, and that the passengers would rather save a few bucks by flying another **CHEAPER** carrier.

"the customer would not CHOOSE UA over WN on very few occasions..."
--OH!!! So THAT's the reason why UA carries more passengers than SW on their comparable flights, and the number is growing larger every day!

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FLY777UAL

Tue Mar 07, 2000 12:05 pm

Do you think that service just means food. I did not say that at all. Service goes from telephoning to making your reservation, checking-in at the airport, friendliness and helpfulness of the cabin crew, food served (although I do not eat airline food myself), etc. I do not think nice food is a gimmick at all. It is something that many customers expect when they fork out hard earned money for a ticket.

My previous experience with UAL is absolutely shocking. I have flown a few US domestic services with UA, and the cabin crew treated me like they were actually going out of their way for me to get you a drink. This is what they are paid for. This is just one example of bad service.

You say that the market in the US if super-low fare. Let's compare our two markets shall we. Yes we only have two competing airlines here in Australia, Ansett and Qantas, but when you look at fare over comparable distances. PER-BNE-PER, a distance of 3,584 km one-way, is a (discounted) fare of AUD$649 (roughly US$390). LAX-NYC-LAX with United, a distance of 3,934 km one-way, is a (discounted) fare of US$433 (roughly AU$720). This is super-low fare? One would think in an environment with many competing carriers that fares would be a lot lower than in an enivornment with only 2 competing carriers. One would think that US domestic airlines would lift their service to give them that extra edge. If I am paying good money I expect good service, and whether the fare is $99 or $999, it is good money in my opinion. (The UA fare I quoted is the standard advance purchase discount fare which I was quoted by UA reservations in SYD)

If I want to fly from Chicago to Los Angeles, I do not want to stop in DFW, STL, or some other town in between. I want a direct, non-stop flight, so that I am not required to connect to another flight. Ease of travel for the passenger I say...not convenience to the airline. When I was there in 1992, I wanted to fly from New Orleans to Miami on UA (a short hop really). Do you think I was happy I had to fly to Chicago first, nearly tripling travel time??

You say that you would like to see SQ come here (hypothetical of course), and 'put nice service on flights'. Is this something you have never experienced before and haven't come to expect, good service that is. It seems that the American travelling public has been sold out in some respects. "We will give you low fares, if you agree to no-frills service", as compared to here, "We will give you low fares, but you will also receive world-winning service".
 
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RE: FLY777UAL

Tue Mar 07, 2000 12:57 pm

When I talk about "super low fare" flights, I'm talking about the majority of the US Domestic flight, those being the short haul flights (from SFO-LAX [SYD-MEL] up to SFO-ORD [SYD-Alice Springs]). On all trans-con flights, service is excellent--on par with what QF and AN would offer on their comparative flights, for there is no low-fare competition such as SW or Air Tran on those routes.

It's understandable that you want an easy non-stop flight, but you're one of the few people (about 1%, actually) who if were paying with their own money, would want this type of an itinerary. The other 99% of "out of the pocket" travelers would prefer connecting and saving a few bucks. From your p.o.v. on ease of travel, I can obviously see that you weren't pleased with your ORD connection for the MSY-MIA flight, but what do you expect? United doesn't have a hub in either city, therefore forcing you to connect. Unless SW flew that route in which case you'd be able to "easily travel", every other airline option would have been to connect.

Service in the US used to be EXCELLENT, both in FC and in Economy on ALL routes. It definitly was something to be expected--hell, it was the norm until SW came in, and lowered the yields for the airlines. Here in the US, the airline view on profits is probably a LOT different than that in Oz. Here, our airlines are all run by beancounters, who don't think an airline has had a good year if it rakes in less than $300 million! These guys aren't sitting in their offices trying to improve service, they've been put there to MAKE MONEY at all costs, and in their minds they figure "ehh...why should we provide them with any more than what they've paid for?"

(My God can I ramble pointlessly...)

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RE: Which Is The Biggest Airline?

Tue Mar 07, 2000 1:19 pm

Timobear, I think you are a little incorrect in your assertions. Looking in the AW&ST Aerospace Resource Book 2000, we can see the following...

United does have a greater income than AA or DL, but nowhere near three times as much...

UA: 17,043.3
AA: 16,006.9
DL: 13,394.7

Further, United did not have the most profit, before taxes...

DL: 1,793.1
AA: 1,748.4
UA: 1,435.2

...Or after taxes...

AA: 1,314.0
DL: 1,078.0
UA: 822.0

Finally, they also do not have the largest fleet...

AA: 663 (year end 1999); 681 (Projected year end 2000)
DL: 603; 632
UA: 571; 591

United is the largest, but not becasue of any of these factors... they are the largest because they fly the most RPMs each year.