sspontak
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Northwest At JFK

Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:36 am

Where does Northwest fly to from JFK? Which terminal does it use? As a SkyTeam member, has it joined Continental at Delta's terminal or is it with KLM?
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:39 am

NW is at T4 with KLM.
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:46 am

NW flies to MSP, DTW, and Tokyo from MSP.
 
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:50 am

Iowaman,

Whats the flight number and Load factor on that MSP-MSP flight  Big grin  Nuts

Anyway, yes, NW has flights To/From JFK to MSP, DTW, and NRT.
 
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Tue Oct 05, 2004 8:57 am

Burnsie-I heard loads on the MSP-MSP flight were outstanding...it was the yields that were the problem with the flight that Northwest wants to drop it...
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Tue Oct 05, 2004 9:02 am

LOL

I guess i better non-rev on that flight before it ends!

It looks like NW Flight 0000 flight time of 15 min take off to touch down and operated with a A330-200  Smile
 
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:37 am

Hey

I am still wondering why they are keeping the DC-9 on that route, the route seems to be a pretty high density route.

I would have thought that they would be sending the 757 or A320.

The 744 to NRT opperates out of gate A6 which is also the KLM gate, and am not sure what gate the DC-9 uses. I have never seen the DC-9 arrive or take off from JFK out of the many times i hve been there!!
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:49 am

I am still wondering why they are keeping the DC-9 on that route, the route seems to be a pretty high density route.

I would have thought that they would be sending the 757 or A320.


One has to understand the dynamics of NYC airports........LGA is the primary business traveller airport. You will see NW 757s, A32X, and DC-9s there throughout the day. JFK on the other hand doesn't cater much to business travellers. Any person flying DTW or MSP-JFK is probably visiting family or friends, or connecting to another airline at JFK. Any business traveller going to the NYC area would fly into LGA or EWR.

The 744 to NRT opperates out of gate A6 which is also the KLM gate, and am not sure what gate the DC-9 uses. I have never seen the DC-9 arrive or take off from JFK out of the many times i hve been there!!

They are in the A concourse; I've seen it at A3 or A5 I believe.

Also worth noting that NW overnights a 744 at JFK. Their 744 arrives at 3:10, drops off pax and is towed to the stand area, and then leaves the next day back for NRT at 2:10.....So it spends 23 hours at JFK.
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:07 am

Ripieces:
Now I understand why whenever I am a JFK, NWA's 744 is always sitting at the stand area. Interesting. I think there are also always 2 or 3 NorthAmerican 757's and also an EL Al 744 there next to the NWA 744.
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:42 am

NW flies to MSP, DTW, and Tokyo from MSP


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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:21 am

Now I understand why whenever I am a JFK, NWA's 744 is always sitting at the stand area. Interesting. I think there are also always 2 or 3 NorthAmerican 757's and also an EL Al 744 there next to the NWA 744.
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EL AL usually has at least one aircraft sitting in the stand area......Singapore's 747 arrives around noon and leaves around 9:00, Emirates A345 arrives in the afternoon and leaves late at night........So it isn't uncommon to see aircraft on the ground for a while at JFK.
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:42 am

Yes, Rjpieces is correct about the passenger breakdown. The MSP-JFK flights seem to cater to leisure travelers, and the fares confirm this, as they are almost always lower than the fares to LGA or EWR on any given day. I would also note that Sun Country--though perhaps not a serious contender--does compete on MSP-JFK, which might also have some effect on NW's fares. I have never taken NW's JFK-MSP flights, as LGA is much more convenient for me and the lower cab fare at least partially offsets the difference in fare, but my in-laws (who live in St. Paul) have flown NW into JFK a number of times and from what they tell me the flights are consistently full.
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:29 am

Don't forget not too long ago NW operated the JFK AMS flight with the 747-400. NW was operating both JFK and EWR AMS. As with other cities (IAD, MEM, MIA as examples) NW and KLM have switched who exactly operated those routes.
 
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:04 am

Anyone know why NW stopped flying the JFK-AMS run? In terms of aircraft utilization, it used to work nicely for the 744 to fly this route between the arrival and departure of its flights to Tokyo. It just seems like such a waste to have this bird sitting for so long at JFK. Makes me think of UA leaving their planes all day in Nagoya (planned) and Osaka before they started using it on the HNL run. Did KLM have something to say about wanting this route back or something? Were there other factors like frequent delays on the flight back from AMS that delayed the NRT flight?
 
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:42 am

I think it had a lot to do with NWA realigning their Atlantic operation. The 744s are suited better for Pacific travel than the Atlantic. With the 330s coming online there wasn't a need to have the 744s in addition to the 330 and DC10. Now the operation is a little more organized. Too bad they can't find use for the 744 in JFK... perhaps a new NGO could be on the horizon to utilize the ships better. As we all know, planes don't make money whilst sitting.


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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:48 am

IIRC, NW only operated JFK-AMS due to an aircraft shortage at KLM
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:43 am

Actually the NW 747-400 flight to AMS was always a summer seasonal addition to KLM's service. It hasn't been brought back the past few summers due to lack of demand.
I agree it would make perfect aircraft utilization.
 
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:49 am

Jafa:
That is not true. When NW operated JFK-AMS, KLM only operated 1x daily JFK-AMS. They now operate 2xdaily.
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:13 pm

Northwest and KLM use to swap services during the summer for the JFK-AMS run. Northwest used a 744 during the summer months and KLM during the winter months. I guess they would not do that now because KLM would be left with service only 4 days a week instead of the current 11.

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RE: Northwest At JFK

Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:19 am

I am pretty sure KLM didn't have two daily full pax 747's from JFK. So although NW replaced one of the KLM flights with a larger 744 it was still an addition to KLM's service.
 
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:35 am


Yes, KLM had two services to JFK and the NW 744 was used because it was idle in JFK for just enough time every day to fly JFK-AMS-JFK. The only reason NW flew the stretch was better fleet utilization. During those periods KLM got another transatlantic flight from AMS to keep the score even. It had nothing to do with a plane shortage or whatsoever.
 
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:09 am

NW definitly should do something with that 744.......As I said, it sits for 23 hours at JFK.........That is enough time to operate a transatlantic run. Or they could add more Asia service from JFK to utilize the plane........It seems like a total waste to have it sitting on the ground for so long.
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:57 am

Would they be able to time that plane to coincide with a flight to NGO? I guess that they could add another aircraft to the rotation and have the flight from NRT turn around and operate a later evening departure to NGO. Then maybe overnight in NGO and return in mid-morning to JFK. The current schedule during daylight time has the 744 leaving JFK at 2:10 and arriving at 5 in NRT. The return flight (after its intra-Asian flight) leaves NRT at 3:55PM and gets into JFK at 3:10PM. So, they could add a late afternoon departure from JFK to NGO around 5 or so that would arrive in NGO (or ICN or KIX) around 9 in the evening. The plane could then overnight in NGO and leave around 10 or 11 in the morning for JFK and get back around 10-11 in the morning at JFK. This would give it 3 hours to turn around at JFK. Leaving another hour or two earlier from NGO would give it a couple more hours of leeway at JFK for delays. The only thing is that this would require an additional 744 to be committed to JFK. However, getting a there and back flight with one additional 744 could be worthwhile. Oh well, I am not in the industry (not yet at least!) and I don't know all of the details. I am just the "Monday morning QB" so to speak!
 
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:04 am

I don't think there is a spot for JFK to NGO. DTW NGO works because of the auto industry. LAX NGO could certainly work. Other West Coast city pairs might work as well and I think we will see anouncements about that this year or next.

NW did operate the route along with a frequency from KLM (MD-11). When KLM took it back (it used to switch based on season), they used a 744 and a MD 11 (then a 777). JFK to CDG might work. NW could also utilize the 744 going to a SkyTeam hub. Just depends on what Bldg A wants to do
 
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:08 am

now why would NW want to start a JFK-CDG flight (granted a/c utilization is always good) but there's already DL and AF that run those routes that NW can book their pax to connect onto them now that they are skyteam members.

if you're wanting another flight for NW and their 747...what about JFK-KIX? even if it is a temporary flight...it'll still keep their plane in the air making some kind of money rather than sitting for the 23 hrs to go back to NRT. does JAL fly to KIX from the NY area? i know they fly to NRT and Sao Paulo (or is it Rio?)

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RE: Northwest At JFK

Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:51 am

JFK-HKG would work, I think? isn't there a huge chinese market in NYC? Would this jumbo fly that far from JFK? But again, they would have to allocate 2 -400s in order to make this a turn around JFK-NRT-JFK-HKG trips.
 
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:10 am

JFK-HKG would work, I think? isn't there a huge chinese market in NYC? Would this jumbo fly that far from JFK? But again, they would have to allocate 2 -400s in order to make this a turn around JFK-NRT-JFK-HKG trips.

They could operate JFK-HKG nonstop but they would have a payload restriction that would probably make the flight not profitable.......Plus CX and CO fly in this market nonstop already.

I don't think there is a spot for JFK to NGO.

I think there is....Just a question of whether a 744 is too big. NYC is perhaps one of the only markets in the world that can maintain nonstop flights to most major world cities.

now why would NW want to start a JFK-CDG flight (granted a/c utilization is always good) but there's already DL and AF that run those routes that NW can book their pax to connect onto them now that they are skyteam members.

Indeed.

if you're wanting another flight for NW and their 747...what about JFK-KIX? even if it is a temporary flight...it'll still keep their plane in the air making some kind of money rather than sitting for the 23 hrs to go back to NRT. does JAL fly to KIX from the NY area? i know they fly to NRT and Sao Paulo (or is it Rio?)

JAL doesn't fly to KIX from NYC. NW JFK-KIX might work.
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RE: Northwest At JFK

Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:19 am

NWA used to fly from JFK to OSA. New airport is KIX. They flew it in the early 90's and the flight continued for a year or two to SYD. Routing was JFK OSA SYD. The flight operated 3 times a week.

Currently the airplane used for the daily NRT service stays in JFK for 23 hours and has light maintenance done to it. When the aircraft was used for the AMS service, if there was any type of mechanical problem it put a huge kink in the system. JFK to NRT has always been a huge money maker for NWA.

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RE: Northwest At JFK

Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:44 pm

Folks, don't you think that if NW could run a plane back and forth to KIX or NGO from JFK, they could keep one plane going back and forth to NRT? You can't realistically run a 24 hour roundtrip to Asia out of JFK, otherwise they'd do it. Any maintenance needed would throw it off schedule with nowhere to make up the time.

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