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AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:51 am

What new routes can we expect in the next few years. I assume more MIA expansion and when the termianl is done, a JFK expansion.

Any ideas/ possibilities?

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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:08 am

ORD-HKG is expected to finally begin next year, with 772ERs.

AA's also seeking approval for ORD-PVG, also on 772ERs.
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:59 am

AA owns the vast majority of dormant TWA route authorities from JFK, LAX , SFO and other cities. A few were discarded or truncated by other governments when the transfer took over from TW to AA. But, most remain intact, unused.

Someone once placed on here a link to a DOT site that lists them all..it dozens of pages long.

That being said, Someday down the road when political, security, or just plain economic issues all come together, you can expect AA to exercise some of those long dormant routes. Now I WOULD NOT expect them to fly old ones such as BOS-Santa Maria,in the Azores. TWA had dozens of long thin international routes that they served only several times per week during the 50's,60's and even into the 70's, usually with 707's.

But I would bet that someday JFK to Moscow, or JFK to other eastern European cites or even Teheran, or Bagdad..who knows?.

(I found an old TWA Travel Guide hardback book from 1956 at a old book sale...TWA served Basra, Iraq (as well as Amman,Jordan) with Constellations.
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:05 am

I read somewhere that MIA - VLN (Arturo Michelena Int'l, Valencia, Venezuela) is one of the possible new routes to Latin America over the next year.
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:10 am

GLA-BOS has been strongly rumoured here.

Here's hoping for an announcement shortly  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:20 am

AA has recently added new routes to STL and they could still restore all the TWA routes they cut if they wanted to. But I'm not getting my hopes up too high on that. Good to hear ORD-HKG is going to be started. Any possibility AA will add international service out of SFO?
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:30 am

I too have heard from our A.NET source (MAH....) that MIA-VLN service is being STRONGLY considered and will more than likely be launched sometime in 2005. Pre 911 this route was a go but it was postponed. If granted, it will be flown daily with a 738.

Also have heard in the rumour mill that possible SJU-PMV on American Eagle and MIA-PMV service on AA is being considered. PMV = Porlamar/Isla Margarita, Venezuela in the Caribbean. This is a very popular vacation destination for many Venezuelans, Latins and Europeans.

Im sure we will see more EURO expansion as well from AA once the massive AA/AE/OneWorld terminal at MIA is completed. Possible routes that might be seen are FCO, FRT, BRU etc.



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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:00 am

Also have heard in the rumour mill that possible SJU-PMV on American Eagle and MIA-PMV service on AA is being considered

That's great news! Big grin. I assume they would use ATR42/72 to cover SJU-PMV, right?
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:04 am

Hi MIASkies,

Do you have any info on the MIA expansion ? I'd love to know more.

Cheers

Gusty
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:21 am

Also have heard in the rumour mill that possible SJU-PMV on American Eagle and MIA-PMV service on AA is being considered
Yes, but this rumour is already about two years old - same as MIA or SJU to VLN. I don´t think we are going to see that soon. Although it would be great. VA and VH tried US-routes out of PMV such as JFK-PMV and Canada (I don´t remember the airport)-PMV. It didn´t work. But I am sure that both, PMV and VLN would work with all those AA-conections.
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:38 am

They seriously need to beef up SJC again. They have that International Terminal and runways that were pretty much built for them. Get rid of those RJ's and bring back some long haul flights again.
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:43 am

Gusty is right regarding the rumours for BOS-GLA. Also MIA-GLA is rumoured and for ORD-GLA to go year-round.
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:48 am

Would love to see them restart EWR-LHR. Guess that's probably too much to hope for, though...
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:49 am

Although the PMV rumour might be 2 yrs old, remember that most major airlines are just now starting to recover from post 911 interruptions and delays with expansion. So VLN is definetly going to happen sometime soon and PMV is not out of the question.

JFK-PMV seems like a very diffcult route to serve for any airlines nevertheless smaller carriers but MIA-PMV service could easily be done. As stated offering connections for many travelers through MIA and headed to PMV and also for the large Venezuelan community residing in Miami and So.Florida who love Isla Margarita! Definetly could see AA using a 738 at least twice a week from MIA.

Maybe an increase in MIA-SFO service with UA pulling their flights to SFO from MIA, maybe AA could increase theirs as well.
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:01 am

There have been continual rumours of AA starting PVD-MIA. Probably sometime late 2005/early 2006 (that's what I've heard at least)

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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:48 am

GLA-MIA would be great GAZ. Hopefully MAN-MIA will be a success and GLA will be next in line.

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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 6:49 am

What are the forward bookings for the AA MIA-MAN-MIA route??

Regards

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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:21 am

Raleigh/Durham-Los Angeles has been mentioned as a very strong possibility. The O&D numbers between the two cities certainly justifies a 738 at least once a day.

Personally I would love too see a 772 route of LAX-RDU-LGW-RDU-LAX simply because the 772 would be a fantastic ride across the USA. I do enjoy the 738, but c'mon no comparison to the 772

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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:10 am

Do you think AA is considering RDU-MEX or STL-MEX?
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:14 am

I highly doubt the RDU-MEX. The only way RDU will get direct service to MEX is if AM or MX flies to RDU. That probably isn't in the picture anytime soon, either.

The closest RDU will probably get to MEX is a RDU-CUN. And even that doesn't look likely.
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:22 am

I'm guessing we won't see anything new out of PHX in light of the whipping HP gave them.

Why is AA so weak on the LAX/SFO-Europe nonstop routes?
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:22 am

Before we were wiped out by Ivan I had often thought that AEagle should start a 1x daily GCM SJU. I really believe this route has some potential. Not necessarily so much on the Puerto Rico Cayman traffic, whcih might be minimal, but, SJU has so many connections to the eastern Caribbean islands of which there is huge biz travel from Cayman.

As it now stands for example to go from Cayman to USVI or BVI requires a big backtrack to Miami and a connection--makes it a day long trip.

They could easily fill an Eagle a/c on this route.

Now, this may be interrupted by Ivan and the fact that Cayman is currently wrecked--however I am trying to be optimistic--
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:25 am

Lets hope for BAQ-MIA and BOG-ORD.
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:45 am

Just because I was born and lived a great deal of my life in the eastern Serria's I would love to see AA reconsider their Mammoth Lakes route in California from ORD and SFO. It would bring lots of additional Skiers from all over the country and maybe boost the local economy!
Though Mammoth is at +6700 Elv with a runway of 7000ft it may not be long enough for the 757's they were considering when they days get hot.

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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:05 am

Does this ring a bell?
http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/intav/webcou02i.pdf
AC/AA/UA/DL/B6/WN/US*/CO*/FI/BA/IB/AF/SK/LX/Sabena*/TK/LY/SA/MN/SW/AM/CE*/CX/CA/MU/JL/SQ/TG/MH/KA/5J
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:15 am

Yes, but this rumour is already about two years old - same as MIA or SJU to VLN. I don´t think we are going to see that soon.

Porlamar, not soon. Valencia is happening, with daily 738 service from Miami.
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:38 am

A while back I read a post regarding AA opening up RIC-MIA nonstop on a 738. As far as I can tell, they only operate this route nonstop w/ an ER3. Did this ever materialize, and if not, will it in the future? What about ORF-MIA?
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:23 pm

During the summer of 2001, AA announced that it would start ORD-AMS in the summer of 2002, and that it was seeking authority for ORD to Moscow, starting in the summer of 2002.

One would assume that routes announced before September 11th, but never operated might have some chance of being added.
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:18 pm

I would have to think that SFO-FLL would happen, that was something that has floated around St Louis over past summers. I rarely hear or get on the subject of anything not-stl related too...

LAX-RDU is somewhat of a no-brainer as long as HP or WN doesn't make a dive into it. Too much o/d traffic to go without a n/s....

I also think we'll see the return of STL-DTW/SJC
DTW is a huge o/d market from St louis at around 900 passengers a day and SJC is an American focus city that sees about 200 or so passengers a day

Then again, pax numbers dont mean that much, look at STL-SNA low O/d but the yield is extremely good. Makes it hard for outsiders to figure out whats next....
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:32 pm

I hope in 5 years to see STL-PDX and PDX-JFK on American...
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:10 pm

Byrdluvs747
This is conjecture based on market presence, but I would suspect AA does not do well LAX/SFO-Europe because United has too big a presence in the west, especially around their fortress hub at SFO. Since UA is also the #1 carrier at LAX, it would be difficult going toe to toe with them on SFO/LAX-LHR/CDG.
Consider:
UA SFO-LHR 2X daily
UA SFO-CDG 1X daily
UA SFO-FRA 1X daily (code share LH also 1X daily)
UA SFO-MUC 1X daily (operated by LH)

at LAX:
UA LAX-LHR 3X daily (one via IAD direct, one operated by NZ)
UA LAX-FRA 1X daily (operated by LH)

If you factor in the orient flying done by UA and its partners, AA is outflown 10:1 on the west coast. Until something happens which requires UA to pull down some of their west coast-europe flying, it is highly unlikely it will move any market share on to their European flights. Also, one additional factor: AAs business class is FAR inferior than even UA on their Europe trips.
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:19 pm

Actually, most of the time LH flies 2x to FRA and 1x to MUC. Also, WN flies the most flights at LAX, though not by much. AA has tried LAX-CDG before, but it did not work out for them. They did just open LAX-NRT, which has a lot of competition on it, but they did not give up on starting it for 3 years. It seems that the US carriers like to have European flag carriers carry the bulk of LAX-EU traffic. AF has 2-3 flights a day to CDG, TN has 1-2 a day to CDG, BA has 2 (and possibly soon 3) a day to LHR (though UA and AA both fly that too), LH has 2X a day to FRA (sometimes 10X a week and sometimes 1 a day) and 1X a day to MUC. KL is 1X a day to AMS. Same goes with Asian carriers (with the exception of NRT). CX is 2X 744 a day to HKG, TG 2X to BKK via NRT, KIX or TPE, KE and OZ 2X each to SEL. International carriers love LAX, so the US ones are worried about over-saturating the market (no idea why, 20 million people is hard to pass up)
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:57 pm

Hi Guys,

MAN - MIA. Starts on November 1st 2004, fully booked for the first couple of weeks i have been told.

MAN - BOS. Rumours have started flying about that their current equipment used on this flight which is a 757-200 is being upgraded to a 767-300 soon. (Only a rumour though, Can anybody confirm?)

MAN - ORD. This flight is having a good impact at MAN, Thus competing with BMI and their A332 equipment. BMI are also getting high numbers, In the 90% range ive been told.


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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:04 pm

GLA-MIA? I think they'll go year round on the GLA-ORD flight before that happens, although GLA-BOS is very highly rumoured to be announced soon on the 752
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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 8:24 pm

I guess you are right GKirk.

I'd be happy with ORD year round starting next year and MIA 06.

If GLA-BOS is starting next year, do you reckon we can expect an announcement this month or next ?

I checked AMR's website last night to see when the MAN-BOS announcement was made last year but press releases only go as far back as December last year.

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RE: AA Future Routes

Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:50 pm

I haven't heard anything about ORD-HKG starting next year. There is nothing about it in any company info. ORD-PVG is AA's big priority right now.
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:00 am

I heard that

JFK-BCN
JFK-FCO (year round)
JFK/ORD-SVO
ORD-PVG/HKG

are all possibilities (they are ideas on this forum, I don't want to start rumors)

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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:17 am

It looks like the BOS-MAN service was announced on 1/14/04, with service starting in mid-May. So, they were able to start the flights with 4 months notice. Anyone have load factors for this flight? It seems like it did pretty well, especially when considering that BA, AA and VS have so many BOS-LHR flights.
Just guessing, but I would think they'd stick with the 757 until spring, and then make the switch to the 763.
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:51 am

Rob-BOS-MAN is summer only anyway. They now have MIA-MAN in the winter.

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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:09 pm

Maybe AA will bring back STL-LGW and STL-HNL.

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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:10 pm

Hey Guys,

I am always bugging my CFi about where AA will be flying next. He flys 767/777 as a captain and Check Airman. Here are a few things I've heard from him.

ORD-FCO (year around)
ORD-GLA (year around)
ORD-PVG (in talks)
ORD-HKG (in talks for 2005)

MIA-MEX
RDU-MEX

JFK-FCO (year round)
JFK-VIE
JFK-BCN (late 2005)

SJC-NRT (year round)
SJC-PEK (in talks)

SFO-NRT (in talks)
SFO-HKG (in talks)

Once the new AA terminal at JFK is open, look for alot more flights to Europe and some new destinations, possibly...

JFK-SVO

Feel free to add,
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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:33 pm

MIA-MEX

AA has flown MIA-MEX for over a decade, three times a day.


SJC-NRT (year round)

SJC-NRT has been year-round since it's introduction in 1994.

SJC-PEK (in talks)

There are no such talks. SJC-PEK is not happening, not now, not soon.

Most of those route rumours will probably never come true. Most just don't make sense at all.
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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:10 pm

I meants to say

MIA-MTY, not MEX, sorry.

MIA-GLA (rumors)

Would really like to see AA go over the Pacific more often.

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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:44 pm

Hey Guys,

I am always bugging my CFi about where AA will be flying next. He flys 767/777 as a captain and Check Airman. Here are a few things I've heard from him.

RDU-MEX


Where in the world did this one come from? I would have thought RDU-CUN or RDU-LAX would have come long before RDU-MEX?!?!?!? Some kind of way, I just don't see this as a possibility. I would think that would be a route that ONLY AM or MEX would attempt. I couldn't see that route working for long unless it was AE. And I KNOW they aren't trying to do that route on Eagle!!
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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:01 pm

Also, JFK-BCN was slated to start in the spring of 2003, and the future bookings were so bad the flight was scrapped before it even started. I doubt AA is interested in JFK-VIE. Expect some cuts on the international front.
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:11 pm

As far as AA and AE here are some NEW and Seasonal Routes coming back this year...

1. NYC-BCN ; Highly doubtful...that route was to be launched in the Spring of 2003 and it never was a success so it is not flown anymore.

2. From MIA:
MAN - to be launched Winter Seasonal 2004; daily - 763ER
CLE - launched Sept. 2004; daily (except Sat)- ERJ
EGE - to be launched Winter Seasonal 2004; Mon & Wed - 752
BDA - to be launched Spring 2005 ; believe 3 times a week - 738
UVF - to be launched Nov. 2004 ; daily - 738
MVD - to be launched Winter Seasonal 2004 ; Mon-Wed-Fri - 763ER
SKB - to be launched Nov. 2004 ; Wed-Fri-Sun - 738


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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:22 pm

MIASkies, JFK-BCN was NEVER flown at all. The route was dropped from SABRE before it was due to commence.

[Edited 2004-10-07 16:23:54]
 
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RE: Airlines Of Yesterday

Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:42 pm

Word has it that DFW-KIX may return next year, and one of the two DFW-NRT flights will be given back to JL. This will free up some NRT slots for other routes.
 
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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:45 pm

NYCAAer...hence my "was to be launched..." so it prob won't be flown anytime soon I should have said rather than "anymore"

...better?

cheers from Miami!

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RE: AA Future Routes

Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:58 pm

CLE - launched Sept. 2004; daily (except Sat)- ERJ
EGE - to be launched Winter Seasonal 2004; Mon & Wed - 752


MIA-CLE has been flown since the early 1990s. It used to be a daily M80, now it is two daily ERJs.

MIA-EGE has been flown also for a very long time, every ski season since at least the late 1990s.
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