ramerinianair
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NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:13 am

I was looking at the tech specs of NW's Airbus and Douglas A/C. I was very suprised to find out that some of the DC-9s have only 34'' of pitch-that's more room throughout coach! Also the width is a measly 19.5''. I know that NW is not know for their inflight service on domestic routes but this is sub-standard. The Airbus equipment is a little better but not much. The Boeing equipment features an almost standard domestic first product.
Please let me kn ow about your flights on the above mentioned NW a/c in the first cabin.
Thanks,
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aa757first
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:27 am

I was very suprised to find out that some of the DC-9s have only 34'' of pitch-that's more room throughout coach!

Only?

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gigneil
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:31 am

The DC-9 is a tiny aircraft. Not much room for a spacious first class. The seats are fine.

A lot of people complained when NW added an extra row of first to the Airbii.

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isitsafenow
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:34 am

I'm upgraded to F with NW quite a bit. I have no complaints with NW F or NW service of late, except for some "green" agents at DTW or MSP who really have no clue on how to treat the paying pax. Most NW people are very good at getting you to come back again and again.

Ya can't compare DC 9 size of pax seats to the newer planes. The A320/319's are wider and were designed to be passenger and cabin crew friendly.
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CaptOveur
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:54 am

Wow i forgot how much crying goes on in civil-av.

It is a domestic flight, you won't be in the seat that long. So just enjoy the other perks of first class, like shagging the flight attendant or whatever the hell else they offer for that horribly inflated price.

If you still aren't happy, ask yourself. Did I pay real money for this ticket? Somehow I suspect this is an upgrade, in which case quit bitching.

Nobody holds a gun to your head and makes you fly first class, nobody makes you fly Northwest either, if you don't like your product you can fly another airline, that is the beauty of a competitive marketplace.
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nwcoflyer
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:03 am

This makes perfect sense. The DC-9 is a small plane, they put 16 seats in F to allow for plenty of upgrades. I would rather have a 34" pitch and be upgraded than sit in coach with no chance of an upgrade because there are only 8 seats in F.

35" in the 319's are fine, and anything more than 36" isn't really necessary unless you are 7 foot 5.

If it was uncomfortable, I would not fly NW 150,000 miles + per year.
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aa757first
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:04 am

Sorry, I didn't read correctly! I thought you were talking about coach. Well, there is no First Class on some possible DC-9 replacment aircraft...

AAndrew
 
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:36 am

The facts clearly speak for themselves. Unfortunately, some people like to believe the spin, instead of the facts. NWA FC is not really any different than any of its competitors. My I referr all who care to the website where you can find the stats. One can really only compare the MD80s at AA to the DC9s at NWA, as they have the same fuselage cross section. With respect to airbusses and the 757s are within an inch or so of the other airlines. So really, the complaints are unsubstantiated. The previous posters said it best... narrow airplane = narrow seats. At least NWA has a consistent amount of seats in their FC cabin to reward their best customers.


AZJ


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Jano
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:28 pm

At least NWA has a consistent amount of seats in their FC cabin to reward their best customers.

And that's what I like the most about NW. There are sixteen (16) FC seats up front.
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:42 pm

Ramerinianair,

I am surprised that you, as an American, are complaining abut what the US carriers have to offer up from in the premium cabin of domestic aircraft. That is the way it is! Flying a plane in the US is akin to travelling on a bus.

It ain't Asia where airlines are propped up by the govt financially so they can afford to offer a luxurious spread even on a one hour flight.
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:00 pm

Ryanair!!! I am glad you know it. Eventually it will happen in Asia too.
 
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:38 am

it will happen eventually... yes. And I am sure not looking forward to it. LCCs are just starting to invade and 2004 will go down as Singapore's most exciting year in aviation, specially post May 04.

I am one that love my frills. We had a taste of the cut in frills during the SARS period and let me tell you, the Asian travellers were wondering if it was the end of the world!

Well, I don't mind them cutting back on the meals. Just as long as they do not start giving me shitty service and attitudes like the ones I find on US carriers i will be fine...
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cdgdtw
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:33 am

dc-9 aircraft fly short haul flights, the longest between 2-3 hours. Some of NW aircraft, however, fly a DTW-ANC segment with the same seats and configuration as you would fly DTW-MKE. DTW/MSP to the West Coast or Southern United States is long in some of those aircraft. Not that there is that much difference in service but one would think there would be a more competitive FC product for longer haul. In the least, play a movie! (think that's coming, though...)
 
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:37 pm

As someone who flies a lot of NW, I have no issue with the "lack" of space in First, as you so delicately put it. I would rather have 34 inches and more chance for an upgrade than more legroom in a cabin I would never see due to lack of upgrades.

Please let me know about your flights on the above mentioned NW a/c in the first cabin.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/38418
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/34289

I'll be on NW domestic F a few more times within the next two months. You should look in the trip reports section to see if I post any new trip reports.

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NWFltAttendant
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:40 pm

Would also probably explain why AA is recinding MRTC program fleet by fleet...  Nuts
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ramerinianair
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:09 pm

I thank you all for your different views.
NWA FA,
AA is taking away MRTC because they need to compete with the LCCs on the vacation/leisure route. So they converted only some of their types to the LRTC config.
Ryanair,
I know what the industry is like in America. I think maybe you don't. AA has no problem finding the room for a 38'' of pitch. seats. The average from other airlines is 37-39 inches of pitch. I won't talk about the width because I understand that airlines cannot change the cabin width. I can however compare the pitch which is determined by the airline. They could upgrade the seats and or adjust the config for a better seat.
NWcoflyer,
I understand that you like getting your upgrade but it could be better getting upgraded to a more modern seat and better pitch than that on the DC-9s. The airbii have nice width but the pitch is still below the average. I was just mentioning that the seats are more like a great coach than a biz not to mention a first seat.
Captoveur,
If you don't like it go back to the ops pages. I do pay for my seats and I work hard for that money. So please don't give me bull over this, I was just noting how sub-average(NOTE:I HAVEN'T USED SUB-STANDARD) the seats are.
Azjubilee,
The AA md-80 have the same cross-section but they still manage to have 38'' of pitch!
SR
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SeaMeFly
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:17 pm

Ramerinianair, most premium Economy doesn't provide free meals or alcoholic bev. Most passengers up in FC are elite upgrades anyway. How often do you actually "PAY" the FC tickets anyway? I'm sure most of the time it was free upgrades anyway.
 
JAFA
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:34 pm

Again NW has more FC seats on average than most. Clearly NW is doing what works for NW and its customers who seem to be happy with the product. What about Int'l business class, do all airlines offer 60" of pitch there?
 
BillElliott9
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:01 am

Hmm, anyone remember the thread earlier this week with the subject regarding NW's health compared to other airlines? I think 16 F seats is a good example of things they have done wisely.





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xjramper
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:25 am

Yes that is bitching. It may not be the greatest seats in all the land...but at least you will not be stuck in the Y section, middle seat of the airline. You can compare the first class section of the 764 for DL to that of the AA Super80. They have one inch apart. Two very differently used aircraft in terms of routes and service and yet they only have one inch apart.

This is to say that it really doesn't matter how much leg room there is, however. The fact is that you are up front. You get the extra service and the extra attention. And you get that pesky middle seat removed and extra width added. I think that this is a fair trade off.

But this is just my opinion.

XJR

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767-400: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Delta_Airlines/Delta_Airlines_Boeing_767-400.php

Super80: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/American_Airlines/American_Airlines_MD-80.php
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ramerinianair
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:05 am

I'm not BITCHING! Just commenting. Obviously your priorities are different from mine. On a domestice flight that less than 3 hours, like most of the DC-9s, I don't go first for the meals or IFE. I sit up front for the seat on domestic flights! TO MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME, this seat is just as good as an AA MRTC seat.
And YES, some people accually work hard to fly right, I usually take CO. I work for my tickets and I PAY $$ that I WORK for to get to the upper cabins. I don't know why it is so hard for you people, SeaMeFly, to understand that some people aren't always trying to scheme and get upgraded for free-some people pay cause they can!
SR
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SeaMeFly
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RE: NW Domestic First Not Even Premium Economy!

Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:05 pm

If you're not happy w/ NW's products, then quit flying NW and quit BITCHING!!... No one forces you to keep flying w/ us.

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