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WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:08 pm

One of our Chief Pilots has told us that Herb and Gary Kelly were in IND securing 34 of ATA's -800's. The rest of the rumour holds that the 757's will go to HP and ATA will maintain their charter operation (what little is left of it).

There is also LOTS of shuffling of simulator traing periods around apparently to free up more sim time for..........?
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:11 pm

Well, if this is the case, this does blow the door wide open for expanding PHL and the much-rumored opening of DFW. I just wonder how we managed to keep it under the radar, while the HP/TZ discussions seemed to have been out in the open?
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:18 pm

If this is true, it means that WN will add a 4th flight attendant to the cabin crew. I can't see WN operating 738s with the same number of seats as the 73Gs do. BTW a bit off topic, but doesn't TZ have no more than 33 738s, and that they're all leased? Regards.
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:27 pm

They could offer the 738 with 149 seats and still use 3 flight attendants. Probably be around a 36" seat pitch! Sign me up!
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:28 pm

would love to hear something more official before thinking this fact. It's extremely interested though. Should buy some LUV and see what occurs.

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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:37 pm

I seriously doubt WN is interested in the 738's.
 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:40 pm

Would that mean WN would pick up ATA's 737 flight crews?
 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:53 pm

I'll believe it when I see it in a press release. That is way too many planes to pick up and operate with the amount of pilots WN currently employs. While I would love to see the -800 in WN colors, I just don't see it benefiting them. All it does is complicate a system that works perfectly for them.
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:00 pm

You can't always believe chief pilots. One of our chief pilots SWORE that we would get a few A330-200's to start DEN-HNL service. Like that happened.
 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:07 pm

I agree that the 738 is a bit strange for WN, but they do fly 2 different sizes of planes. While the staffing is the same, they have fewer seats in the 732/735 than the 733/73G. Given the fact that they have a nice pitch and average just under 92% of the seats their planes are designed for, that would put them at 173-174 seats on the 738. ATA currently flies them with 177 seats, so WN would potentially remove a row of seats and have a similar config. The would probably also dump the facilities ATA uses to heat up food. If they really are picking up these planes, WN will likely be doing with Westjet did and use them till they can pick up more planes fresh from Boeing. That might be the key to the whole deal. As far as the leasing thing goes, WN does have some planes under lease, they are ones they took from other carriers. If you look at their fleet list, the leased planes are the ones without the code H4 (WN's Boeing code).
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:12 pm

Won't believe it til I read it in the paper (the DMN or Forth Worth Startlegram) but this makes a certain amount of sense. It also suggests that WN continues to have the stars aligned just right for them often.

Delta is pulling down DFW.

WN has a huge presence and loyal following in the Dallas/Ft Worth area.

The 737-800 has a bit shorter range than the -700, but it can go anywhere in the country from DFW.

Putting 149 seats in a 737-800 means 3 FAs and means one heckuva comfortable ride. Who needs MRTC or an assigned seat when you have leather and 36"+ between you and seat in front of you?

Who needs AAdvantage miles which can be so difficult to cash in that you get AAgravated when you can get Rapid Rewards? (maybe even double credits for longer flights til they grab a big chunk of the market?)

Southwest is well established at BWI, MDW, MCI, PHX. LAX, STL, OAK, SJC, MCO, TPA, PHL, PVD, BNA, SAN, LAS, PVD etc etc etc. You can instantly and gainfully every single one of those airplanes without opening a single station.

Delta pulls down the schedule around February, as i recall...just about the right amount of time to retrofit these airplanes and do whatever crew training is necessary to transition from the 200/300/500/700 to the 800.

Southwest is accustomed to basing a subfleet in the Dallas area...the -200s have not lived elsewhere for quite some time.

Delta leaving turns DFW into a completely different ball game.....Southwest doesn't mind major airports...or big airports...what it has historically not liked is congested airports.

Southwest could ill afford to let AirTran or JetBlue to get a foothold in the Dallas area.

personally, I think it is a pretty neat idea.





 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:30 pm

The 738 can still easily do transcons, so I would imagine LAX-BWI, OAK-BWI, LAX-MSY would fill a 738. Certainly positioning revenue flights (which is pretty much every WN flight) LAX-LAS, BUR-LAS, etc. that are always full should also do really well
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:33 pm

As 737captain said, just where is WN going to get the 300+ pilots to fly them overnight?

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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:36 pm

>>As 737captain said, just where is WN going to get the 300+ pilots to fly them overnight?<<

How long do you think it would take WN to transition folks from 700s to 800s?

How many USAirways pilots would take a long, hard look at flying ugly colored 737s for wages a whole lot more reasonable than what their management is dangling infront of them in BK court?

 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:39 pm

If ATA is getting rid of the planes, I am sure their 738 pilots would love to take a pay raise to fly at WN. Also, according to a few legacy pilots I have talked to, WN has a major backlog of pilot applications and tons of pilots on furlough and who are getting the shaft (US) would love to fly the LUVly planes WN flies (The 738s would not be the old ugly colors, they would be the oh so soothing canyon blue)
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:44 pm

So when is TZ done?

Getting the usual 6-8daily MDW/MSP/MDW flights here. Guess I've got to get more 738 shots then.

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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:46 pm

Just thinking out loud here....if TZ is indeed selling off their 738 and 757 fleet...I am assuming they are planning to pull down their focus city ops in MDW right? According to TxAg's theory, the 738s would be deployed at DFW to ward off other LCC poachers right? What about Chicago? FL is already in MDW and I've heard jetBlue is interested in ORD but if TZ does reduce ops what's to keep either of both carriers from setting up shop? I guess what I am saying is that sadly, the wheels are coming of the wagon at carriers all over the country and there are only a finite number of additional aircraft WN can deploy in a short period of time. How on earth do you protect MDW, DAL, and possibly pursue opportunities in PHL and perhaps PIT and/or CLT ...is any management team deft enough to pull that one off??

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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 1:46 pm

Pair of things...

1. Regarding the 737-800 being flown with 3 FA's, they would have to get the plane certified under their ops specs to do so, providing they went with the 149 seating arrangement. Except for the BBJ2, all of the 738s out there are demonstrated with 4 FA's.

2. A separate rumor has the 757-300s heading to CO, so if this 738 rumor to WN was true, would the -200s be the only planes left to support the 3-4 L1011s left flying charters? Seems like there's a lot of planes disappearing from the TZ fleet in these rumors...

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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:05 pm

It is perfectly feasible. Use the 737-800s for flights over 3 hours long and add an extra galley... What I mean is take, for example, what DL did to the Shuttle 738s. Take 2-3 rows out of the Port Side and add a small galley there. This will keep the crew to 2 + 3 and they will have plenty of room for supplies. The only question is how much money will they lose from those 6 to 9 seats.
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:08 pm

This is WN, they wont drop the seats to a less profitable level so they can staff them with fewer F/As. They will just change their computers to put a fourth F/A on the flight, if they take the 738s
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:18 pm

I also agree they'll staff with the extra FA.. if just for one reason: consistency.

Having different configurations can only confuse passengers. How would someone feel if they got off a plane with 36+" only to board one in a standard configuration? And I just don't see any efficiencies in keeping them strictly limited to a DFW hub. Even the 732s stray away from the mothership every once in a while - or at least they used to.

I think to get the most out of what the plane can do.. DFW expansion, transcons, beef up heavily loaded routes.. and to avoid confusing their passengers they'll go with the extra FA.

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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:21 pm

The other piece of this equation is that it would make WN THE player at MDW. ATA has built up so much of their operation around that airport if they were to contract and sell off the 738s, considering the size operation WN has now, this would make them a very big player in Chicago. This creates problems for the other two large carriers that are at O'Hare. If WN can carry off a large hub operation at MDW, then it would take the heart out of United. That is another story.

I am less certain about the 757s. The 753s are the replacement for the L10s. They need two variants of the 757 based on the missions they fly, even if they were charter. I would imagine you would see them keeping enough aircraft to fly their existing tour operator charter contracts plus the military stuff, then provide aircraft for adhoc charters.

This is the second time around for ATA, and I really hoped that they would make it. however, from what I can see, they cannot go head to head with the big guys with the 757 on domestic and the 738 is too big to go toe to toe with the LCCs like WN and B6.
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:25 pm

Dont the 737-700 and -800 have the same cockpit? Where is the training needed to take a WN -700 pilot into a -800?

If it's true, it seems natural for WN to grow a little with the -800's.

HP getting the 757-200's makes perfect sense.

CO getting the -300's works out great as well? What powerplants do the TZ 300's have compared to NW or CO? Maybe NW wants a few of them?

Current TZ Fleet:

738=33
752=16
753=12
L10=5

According to Airfleets.com
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:27 pm

Then again maybe NW throws more money at TZ, gets all the 757's and doesnt have to ask Boeing to re-open a dead production line?!?
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 2:35 pm

Um, lots of low fare carriers use the 738 (FR, Air Berlin) and the A320 is not much smaller (179 to 189 seat max) while if burns more fuel and uses the same number of crew, so they should compare quite well with B6. Like I have said time and time again, ATA is not insovlent, they are illiquid. They have made profits, just not enough to cover their back loaded debt that they negotiated before 9/11. If the banks actually give them a chance to pay their bills, they will have no problem surviving.
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:33 pm

I don't see Southwest passing up a significant, viable opportunity. Nor do I see them letting their competition get their noses under the tent in Southwest's market without a fight. I believe they would go for the additional planes and that they will move into DFW in order to get some longer routes. It's definitely going to be a good year for watching the company.
 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:32 pm

This could happen:

The 738s would be useful to Southwest for certain transcon/high-density flights and they would add a fourth flight attentant to maximize seating. While to date, Southwest has stuck with smaller aircraft, they did operate 72S for a short time (leased) and looked very closely at the 757....Southwest did not pass on the 757 due to F/A issues, they passed only because Boeing would not sell the aircraft to them at below-cost prices. If the 738s are dedicated to certain routes, or are only based in certain stations, the fourth F/A should not be an issue at all. Southwest has picked up second hand aircraft when the terms are right and there is a need....Southwest has PHL to think about, a downsizing of ATA would mean expansion possibilities at MDW and Southwest's 732s are becoming an issue (further delaying retirement may not be possible).....thus, 30+ rather new 737NGs sounds like a good opportunity for Southwest.

As for some or all of the 752s, as discussed in another thread, America West has stated that it would like to grow its 757 fleet and over time replace its existing 752s as HP's 757 fleet is early build. HP has experience with RR powered 757s, and the ATA fleet sounds like a good deal for them. Time will tell how many 752s HP would be interested in, and/or if ATA retains some 752s for charter work. In any case, this sounds like a good match.

And, the 753s - I dont think CO wants them, unless its for super bargain basement prices.....CO worked very hard to get out of its commitment for the last 6 753s that it had on order (CO originally ordered 15 753s, after the first four were delivered, CO wanted to cancel/defer the order.....in the end, CO took another 5 753s for a total of 9 and the remaining 6 were not delivered....CO took 738s instead)......I dont think that CO needs more 753s but I could be wrong. There is a rumor that NW would like to pick-up additional 753s, but NW has PW powered aircraft and the ATA 753s are RR so that is a problem. Could HP take them, maybe, for their highest demand routes. (The 753 has super operating economics, it would be a good choice for a fare sensitive airline like HP.) Or, will the 753s stay with ATA to operate the lucrative charter flights to Hawaii and for other charter work.....the 753 is an aircraft that can make money on charters.....ATA could keep a mixed fleet of 757s, ie, a small number of 752s plus the 753s for remaining operations.

While I hope that ATA makes it, it will be interesting to see what comes of their newly acquired aircraft if they have to downsize.
 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:34 pm

OK

Here is another possibility.

CO takes the 738's???

HP takes the 757's???

And this speculation gets us nowhere  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:43 pm

I thought TZ leased the 738, so how can WN buy theses A/C or will they take on the leases of these A/C. As far as i know an airline can sell A/C that are not theirs to sell.
 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:50 pm

>>>I thought TZ leased the 738, so how can WN buy theses A/C or will they take on the leases of these A/C. As far as i know an airline can sell A/C that are not theirs to sell.

I read somewhere else that of the 33 aircraft involved, 20 are leased and 13 are owned, unless I have that backwards.

Owned aircraft can obviously be sold, and the leases on the others can always be assumed, or renegotiated (especially if the lessor thinks they could get stuck with them).



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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:21 pm

No lessor is going to get stuck with 738s, the mere fact that WN, who is first in line for any 737 would buy a plane that is not their normal size should show the demand for the planes. CO would be the most likely taker for the 753 from a commonality standpoint, but do they need more? NW is the one who needs more, but they fly different engines. Then again, the L1011s would be old enough for NW (just kidding, besides they are RR powered too =)). This really is a cluster flock, and like I said before, ATA should keep all the planes if Mikelsens has any talent at talking to banks.
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:40 pm

"One of our Chief Pilots has told us that Herb and Gary Kelly were in IND securing 34 of ATA's -800's......"

- With all due respect Captain, where did this Chief Pilot obtain his information? I read an AP article the other day (from a link that was on a thread on this very site) that was a report on A RUMOR! No facts, just conjecture! A Rumor! And the article went on for about seven paragraphs and said next to nothing.

"If ATA is getting rid of the planes, I am sure their 738 pilots would love to take a pay raise to fly at WN."

- I'm sure they would but what about the other employees? A/Ps, FAs, ramp workers, etc.... Would WN pick them up? Is this rumor we are talking about a "merger" or an "acquisition" where the employees go as well? Or are we just talkin' planes?

"And this speculation gets us nowhere"

- Thank you.

If Big Herb (I do have respect for him and WN BTW) was in Indy to talk to George about the 33 planes, it would have been all over the news. I watched two separate news casts tonight from two separate sources (two different TV stations owned by two different groups). TZ is somewhat beloved in this city and if this rumor was true, it would have taken the first three stories on both news casts. Until this story is on the front page of the Indianapolis Star in five inch BOLD type I will not believe the rumors. These stories and rumors are getting just about as bad as the election commercials. What do you believe?
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:33 pm

i wonder when herb had the time to be in Indy? I saw him yesterday at 3pm inside the DAL terminal for Western Chief Pilot Dave Edens last flight, and someone remarked the day before that they saw his car and herb himself at HDQ in Dallas.
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:48 pm

How different is the short field performance for an 800 vs a 700 series? I have heard that the approach speed for one thing, is 15kt higher for the 800. Am I correct?
 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:04 pm

A little off-topic; but what kind of car does Herb drive?
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:12 pm

OK, TZ is currently putting biz class in all of the planes. If WN were that close to a deal, this would be stopped immediately. The schedule is for 1 plane a day to be reconfigured and back in the air. There are not and never were 179 seats in the 738 at TZ unless you count 4 of the 6 jump seats. I think there are now 169 seats. If I remember correctly, without looking it up, but 18 seats are taken out and 12 biz class are being put in.

The charter side of ATA is not near large enough to sustain the operation.

The 738s, 753s and some of the 752s are not ATA's to get rid of. When you see planes from ILFC, GE, Boeing and WN together in Indy and a group of suit clad men head to Building 1, then we can get serious.

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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:01 pm

Herb drives an Audi, i believe he also has a Honda. I told him if he ever needs a driver to come get me (this was when he was sitting in a new mazzarati at the SWA carshow). He asked me if i'd feel the same way if he was sitting in a 2002 Honda Accord haha.
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:17 pm

How do you get 300 pilots for the airplanes. Easy, the fragmentation clause of the ATA Pilot contract requires that the deal include pilots. This would also benefit WN, because although the airplanes have commonality, the WN 73G's have a cockpit configuration (instruments) similar to classic 737s for commonality in their own fleet.
 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:25 pm

That is a crock of sh*t!! I have a better chance of getting Natasha Henstridge in bed!
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:34 pm

What the heck happened to ATA? Are they going out of business now?
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:42 pm

While I agree this is probably still conjecture, I don't agree with those that assign it no chance or little chance.

WN ops two different sizes of 737 already, and 2 types in each size. Adding the 738 is not a stretch of any imagination.

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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:58 pm

Why would they need 300 new pilots for just 33 planes at most?????

Besides if a large number of 732's have to be retired, this obviously would at least partially offset the net increase.
 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:03 am

I believe the ATA pilot contract has stipulation that is the company sells 10 or more of any type of airplane to another company, the pilots for said aircraft also are essentially sold with them. Can anyone help me out on this one?
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:40 am

Actually, this would free up a heck of a lot of capacity if WN decided to sell those rumored 733s and 735s to FedEx. This would be just about the only way for them to add NG frames without having Boeing increase production rates.

Selling the 752/3s to NW would be a slight problem as NW has long since disposed of any of its RR powered fleet. They only had 6 or so (aquired through mergers) and I think those went to HP.
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:52 am

To all the armchair CEO's out there, "never say never" when it comes to Southwest.

I've been with WN for 9 years and have been told on several occasions "this or that" will never happen but all have turned out to have happened be it big or small, one of the biggest being a station at PHL.

So everyone can say what they want in regards to us getting the ATA -800's, but I won't be shocked if we do and hope that we might even get see one at SNA.

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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:58 am

SCOPE/fragmentation clauses aren't worth the paper they're written on. Name one instance when it was enforced against the wishes of both side's managements?

Second hand (but reliable) info from last month is that the ALPA MEC at ATA is sure that George wants to liquidate. Items like the frag clause and other sticking points with the unions will preclude a Ch.11 reorganization.

Unfortuanately, it won't help SW if they take the ATA 737 pilots with the planes. They still have to be trained to SWA proceedures which takes almost as long as an initial newhire class. Maybe they'll give them preferential hiring status.TC
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:03 am

I could see the TZ pilots invited to interview though with WN they are not just going to take them, they are going to have to be a good fit the pilots and WN.
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:35 am

"I won't believe it till I read in in the paper"

HELL! I won't believe it if it IS in the paper! Pardon me, but was it not the London Times an a Dallas paper that had all of you in here about a month ago explaining to us how ATA had pretty much been sold to WN and AirTan; that our 757's were already sold to HP, that our 738's were already on their way to Atlanta and Dallas? YES, I believe it was! You guys spread rumors and fall prey to them easier than a bunch of junior high valley-girls. Sorry, but its true. And what happened when I sent that loooong message explaining why this wasn't happening? You all started boo-hooing about how I didn't know anything because I'm only 21. It really is amazing how y'all think you know so much and yet are usually wrong Smile/happy/getting dizzy Hell, what would an ATA employee know anyways, right? Maybe I am an idiot Wink/being sarcastic But at least I don't flush the toilet before I piss. As a correction: I said 'y'all' and 'all of you' alot, I should correct that to 'most of you'; as some of you do have the digit capacity to tell a rumor that some guy's friend's lover heard from his mother's ex husband's fiance's sister who is an ATA senior pilot that ATA was being sold to WN, from the truth.
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:41 am


I agree with you Vanguard, and I like the name AirTan LOL

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Mike  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: WN Gets ATA 800's - It's (un)official

Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:43 am

TxAgKuwait and others:

"Where are they going to get the 300+ pilots to fly these planes?"

Umm.....hire som TZ pilots? Maybe? Possibly? Big grin
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