adriaticus
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CO To Upgrade Toluca To B737

Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:56 am

Latest rumours from TLC airport community say that CO will be soon upgrading its EMB145 flight from/to IAH, to a B737 (unspecified series). Published schedules do not show the change yet. Does anybody know anything additional?

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farmenta
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RE: CO To Upgrade Toluca To B737

Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:51 am

I am telling you, CO is doing their homework! Good for them and good for the people of Toluca.

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drerx7
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RE: CO To Upgrade Toluca To B737

Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:45 am

If anything--it'll probably be a 735.
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rojo
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RE: CO To Upgrade Toluca To B737

Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:03 pm

I am telling you, CO is doing their homework! Good for them and good for the people of Toluca.

I would say "good for the people of Mexico City", since we are the ones filling CO's TLC flights. I live in Mexico City and it takes me 35 minutes to get from my house to TLC any day at any time. Although it takes me 20 minutes to get from my house to MEX when there is no traffic (10:00pm to 6:00am), if you add traffic the 20 minutes increase to something around 60 to 90 minutes...

TLC's target market are the wealthy people and corporations located in the northwest part of Mexico City (Santa Fe Area) thanks to its proximity and the advantage of the toll highway.
 
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RE: CO To Upgrade Toluca To B737

Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:06 pm

As Drerx7 says, it'd be with a 735 IF it was to happen, but I'm having a hard enough time trying to get TLC on our approved 737 alternate list for MEX at this time so I'd be surprised if it upgraded anytime soon. There's some performance issues involved from what I hear...

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ghost77
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RE: CO To Upgrade Toluca To B737

Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:28 pm

Right! Those passengers filling the flight live mainly in the NW and new rich part of Mexico City which is 30/35 minutes away from TLC at ANY TIME. MEX airport with no traffic it usually takes 20/30 minutes. If those people decide to fly drive in rush hours to MEX from 6:00am till 10:00pm they'll do from 60 to 90 minutes as Rojo says above!

If CO adds seats in TLC Im sure flights from MEX to IAH will be affected and in the worst scenario CO will reduce reduce capacity.

Hope CO increase capacity! Very good NEWS for crowded MEX airport!


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rojo
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RE: CO To Upgrade Toluca To B737

Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:48 pm

Does anyone know how many hours a year TLC is closed due to low visibility? Considering that low visibility happens a lot during the winter and CO has not operated in TLC during this time of the year, I would guess they want to keep the ERJ until next spring and until the CAT III is ready then it will be the right time to introduce a bigger aircraft on the route.

The only reason that comes to my mind for CO to upgrade TLC to a B73X would be the First Class. After all, wealthy mexicans and corporations are the ones filling TLC-IAH flights and they should be pushing CO to use an aircraft were they could travel all the way in a premium cabin. CO should be aware of this and they could be analysing the yields that could bring the introduction of bigger aircraft. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens...
 
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RE: CO To Upgrade Toluca To B737

Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:13 pm

My last chat with CO in IAH last week suggested that TLC was doing ok (not great) but that they wanted to get the yield up. No mention of 737s. If they wanted to use the 735 it would be to get the unit cost per pax down, suggesting that they cannot get the yield up despite the great catchment.
 
LeoDF
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RE: CO To Upgrade Toluca To B737

Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:51 am

Mexican airlines should learn from our northern neighbors! If in the future CO does go ahead and use a 737, with good load factors, then there's a very good market opportunity for some other airlines.

Allegro did it, and as I recall they were doing quite well! They even wanted more flights out of TLC.

Any chance MXA or AMX do their homework and get busy at TLC? I've heard rumours but no actions so far! Maybe Aerolitoral can enter the market with their 145's...

Saludos!

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RE: CO To Upgrade Toluca To B737

Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:26 am

I wouldn't count on this..............a little too far fetched I think.....we would deploy a 737 to another MTY/GDL flight first!!
 
adriaticus
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RE: CO To Upgrade Toluca To B737

Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:00 am

Word of mouth in TLC confirms what Billy says about pax loads; In the original post, I forgot to mention that the apparent driver of this move would be the cargo, most specifically a big deal with DaimlerChrysler to bring spare parts as air freight for the latter's Toluca motor assembly plant.

Since this would be in the in-bound, TLC high-altitude (8455 Ft) restrictions would not apply. On the outbound, payload restriction ranges between 24% and 30%, depending on the weather and air temperature (it's mostly cold up there). Since pax density is not expected to increase by a lot, it still makes sense.

In addition, Rojo's opinion about availability of premium cabin services makes a lot of sense too, considering the catered market.

Either way, CO's aggressiveness in this untapped market is an example to others, most specially for MX, who made semi-formal announcements (on a meeting with the local import/export community and the customhouse and other government officials) of services to be started ex-TLC as of last July... And nothing has happened yet.

CatIII(b) works are supposed to be concluded NLT January 31, 2005.

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