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Continental Announcement In CLE

Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:03 am

Looks like there is a big announcement coming tomorrow in CLE. The article isn't really helpful about the substince of the announcement, but it does say that CO will keep the CLE hub for another 10 years. Gordon will be there, and hopefully a new route or two will be announced!

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=24579
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:12 am

Fingers Crossed.
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:38 pm


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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:04 pm

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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:26 pm

Good news the hub stays for the next the years......... Well at least we can now stop all the threads on when will CO pull out of CLE!
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:14 pm

It's very nice for CO to say we're here for ten years (and where did they come up with that number?), but it's even better if they announce some kind of investment - new flights, new facilities ... what have you.
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:38 pm

Yes now we can stop the all the threads titled when will CO pull out of CLE.
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:53 pm

You know United pledged at least another decade of the Cleveland hub right before they pulled out....

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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:56 pm

And AA is removing MRTC on all there aircraft? So airlines change there minds, what is your point?
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:16 am

Does CO operate any widebodies out of CLE? It is all narrowbodies, correct? Do they still operate any of the 757 longhauls over to Gatwick or anywhere else in Europe?
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:17 am

during the summer i believe there are 5 757's a day...........EWR/BWI/LAS/LGW/LAX
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:18 am

Iowa744fan

CO has no regularly scheduled widebody from CLE. They have 73x, 757 and Continental Express and Commutair operations. There was a 777 there a while ago on a sub I think.

CLE is a good airport and CO a good airline - even w/o widebodies @ CLE.
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:47 am

actually the 777's that have stopped there were either medical diversions or weather diversions from EWR
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:00 am

Just came back from the employee meeting with Gordon, Larry Kellner and Jeff Smisek. No new route announcements, so you can put those to rest at this time.  Smile

They did mention they will enter into a memorandum of understanding with the city, to extend the lease at CLE. No details given on that in the meeting, as Gordon was headed downtown to meet with Mayor Jane after meeting with employees.

Kellner did say there will be growth in CLE in the next few years, mostly domestic RJ service, but that's to be expected. He did not rule out more European service.
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:05 am

Well, it seems the only announcment today is that CO is commited for another 10 years. No new routes or other such plans. And, in this business, everything changes so fast that CO might not even be around in 10 years, let alone hubbing in Cleveland. They might as well just not announced anything.
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:15 am

N766UA, why so negative today, my friend? First, the old lease agreement was expiring, and there was a lot of media speculation (and weekly Anet speculation, it seems), about CLE.

Kellner says CO is committed to CLE, and visa-versa. Can that change? Of course it can. Everyone knows that, but for now, the hub stays, is stable, and will see some growth in the future. No one can see 10 years away, so don't even try right now. I'm happy, because maybe it will shut up the media and that armchair QB's on Anet for a while, who don't have a clue, but always are shooting off at the mouth about this subject.  Smile
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:29 am

Probably renewing the leases at the long 10 year term is significant to the finances of CO. They probably got a fair deal from the city, that is a reasonable price for CO CLE can live with and keep CO's hub there. This is good for CLE with the decline and possible liquidation of US Air. This is also good publicity for CO in that region.
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:23 am

http://crainscleveland.com/news.cms?newsId=2607

The article says that CO has agreed to extend their lease at CLE for ten years in return for certain improvements, including the 11,250 ft runway extension) promised by the city.
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:39 am

Just came back from the employee meeting with Gordon, Larry Kellner and Jeff Smisek. No new route announcements, so you can put those to rest at this time

Just wondering about this one......But how do the three of them get along? Are they friends? Weren't their rumors that Bethune was being pushed out and that there was some hostility between Bethune and Kellner?
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:57 am

Even though I support CO all the way...I can hardly call CLE a hub when comparing to EWR or IAH.
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:03 am

i think they get along fine............the hostility is b/t Gordon adn one of hte board members.........i cant recall his name someone will post it here shortly.
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:06 am

"Even though I support CO all the way...I can hardly call CLE a hub when comparing to EWR or IAH."

I see your point. I've been through CLE on Continental. . .and at least as far as CO mainliners go, there aren't nearly the numbers when compared to the other hubs. On the other hand, it seemed as though I was smack dab in the hive of the CO ERJs. . .just a bunch of those bees buzzing around. . .but I loved it. There were thousands of them. Okay, there were hundreds. Fine, there were tens. . .but still many more than I've ever seen in one place. . .

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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:43 am

Bethune left to get Bonderman off the CO board.
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:47 am

"The article says that CO has agreed to extend their lease at CLE for ten years in return for certain improvements, including the 11,250 ft runway extension) promised by the city."

there you have it ladies and gents, proof positive that more int'l service is to come from CLE. Needing such a long runway, it's obvious to me that CO and Embraer has perfected the technology need to add drop tanks to the ERJ. They obviously need the longer runway to take off with the extra fuel weight...  Wow!
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:09 am

I fail to see why someone doesn't consider CLE a hub in CLE, when that's not true. What constitutes a hub in some of your minds? Widebodies? A certain threshold of flights? A certain mix of regional/mainline? What's your criteria?

CO has more than 250 flights a day in/out of CLE. That's a significant amount of service. No, it doesn't meet the amount of service CO has in IAH and EWR, but those are larger markets, and they're strategically positioned, more than CLE, to serve international markets-EWR for Europe and IAH for Mexico and Latin America. But that doesn't mean CLE doesn't have a hub, in any stretch.

Here is video of the entire press conference held today, courtesy of WKYC-TV, the NBC affilliate in CLE.

http://www.wkyc.com/video/player.aspx?aid=7321&sid=24598&bw=
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:27 am

Mayor Jane is not that shabby looking - sort of a MILF.
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:56 am

well the "trio" told us in IAH two weeks ago to look at more flights to AMS/CDG/MXP/FCO to enhance the Sky Team product.
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:05 am

Wow. CO is making CLE a big player for one of their future hubs if it already isn't. Where does CO fly to internationally out of CLE?

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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:20 am

Why is a longer runway important to CO, isn't what they got long enough for the meager int'l service that CLE could ever expect. It sure seems to me like the payback on the investment for CLE airport is very low-- but you gotta do what CO wants.

All you folks who say how miserable the landing fees are in CLE, I just have a hard time CO would make such a commitment to CLE if that were really the case. Maybe the landing fees are high but the gate and terminal space is very cheap. Gotta think about the big picture.

I'm surprised CO didn't announce some kind of expansion, maybe a new bank of flights or something, or introducing service to cities hurt by the US collapse in PIT. Would have been a good way to get a little more buzz going; guess nothing is close to imminent.
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:46 am

CO's commitment to CLE? Continental ExpressJet might have a commitment to CLE, but Continental Airlines certainly doesn't...here's a departure schedule of mainline flights based on Wednesday, October 6, 2004:

CO1045, 6:30A, IAH, 738
CO724, 6:40A, EWR, 735
CO1530, 7:30A, BOS, 733
CO1750, 7:40A, LGA, 73G
CO256, 7:55A, BWI, 738
CO124, 8:00A, EWR, 733
CO1560, 8:50A, MCO, 735
CO735, 9:00A, LAX, 738
CO1405, 9:05A, TPA, 73G
CO1251, 9:10A, SFO, 738
CO1071, 9:15A, MCO, 738
CO1531, 9:15A, PHX, 738
CO257, 9:20A, LAS, 753
CO1685, 9:30A, FLL, 738
CO1811, 9:40A, RSW, 738
CO1245, 10:00A, IAH, 739
CO224, 11:30A, EWR, 733
CO245, 12:45P, IAH, 73G
CO1824, 2:53P, IAH, 738
CO1030, 3:20P, BOS, 738
CO456, 3:25P, BWI, 739
CO508, 3:30P, DCA, 73G
CO112, 3:35P, EWR, 738
CO1450, 3:35P, LGA, 733
CO681, 5:00P, LAS, 738
CO524, 5:05P, EWR, 733
CO321, 5:05P, DEN, 733
CO169, 5:05P, PHX, 738
CO67, 5:10P, LAX, 738
CO1645, 5:50P, IAH, 738
CO1730, 7:05P, BOS, 738
CO624, 7:10P, EWR, 752
CO556, 7:15P, BWI, 753
CO1050, 7:15P, LGA, 738
CO757, 8:35P, LAS, 739
CO1445, 8:40P, IAH, 733
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:03 am

wow they dumped SEA. Last year they kept it for the winter. Down to 2 to LAX. PIT still has a more substantial schedule I believe. Heck, RDU my old home town probably has more seats to East Coast cities of BOS and LGA even though RDU isn't a hub for anyone.
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:08 am

Congratulations to you at Continental in negotiations with the folks at Cleveland city hall. I just read all the posts. Boy this is a tough crowd at a.net. And I thought I was cynical when teasing my old home town airport.

 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:52 am

Living here in CLE I'll say it is not the perfect hub, though it is the right size for the market that we have, and bottom line is that it is remaining and unlike other cities, i.e. PIT we will remain a hub..... Also since it is the right size, CO does not have to discount to fill seats, they fly the right size aircraft for the markets they serve so it is a win, win for everyone.
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:22 pm

Well, I love connecting at CLE, but I'll be the first to admit their mainline offerings are slim, and beyond an hour, an ERJ or CRJ is a miserable experience. I see from the list that DEN is dropped as a mainline flight, I'd avoid that route if it was an ERJ. I hope business dictates more mainline, however I'm skeptical, espeically with WN present at CLE. 34 mainline flights a day does not a big hub make....
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:33 pm

SHUPirate, accidentally I'm sure, picked Wednesday, the slowest weekday in a slow time of the year, to use for displaying his CO schedule. CO has been adept at tailoring its schedules on a daily basis to demand at all hubs.
Wednesday the CO/Express schedule for CLE shows about 200 total departures while Thursday shows about 250, with mainline departures increasing by about 5. Mainline schedules run around 50 a day in peak summer and winter seasons and drop for the Labor Day to Thanksgiving and New Years to Presidents Day slack periods. 50 isn't a huge number, but it's not so small as SHUP portrays.


An interesting comment made by the mayor was that the new agreement includes incentives for increased service. Once the airport has its operating costs covered, they can trim incremental charges quite drastically. I wouldn't be surprised to see the final agreement say flights in excess of 250 a day and/or flights longer than 2500nm will be charged smaller fees. They have to offer it to all airlines, but CO is the only one that could benefit significantly.


 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:51 pm

Massey-I ALWAYS use Wednesday for comparison's sake...the reason being that most flights flown on Wednesday are also flown on the other days of the week...people should know that WHENEVER I post a schedule on here, or anything of the sort, I post a Wednesday schedule to be fair to destinations that may get a weekend cut-down, or to not pad the schedules with Saturday-only destinations...
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:40 pm

doesnt CO fly CLE-LGW?

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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:16 pm

Massey-I ALWAYS use Wednesday for comparison's sake...the reason being that most flights flown on Wednesday are also flown on the other days of the week...

Actually, that's not true. CO reduces service on Tue/Wed in both IAH and CLE, becuase they are slower travel days, as is Saturday afternoons. Monday, Thursday, Friday are the major days for travel during the week. Wednesday has almost always been a reduced schedule day for CO. If you want a true feeling of the full schedule, you have to put in Monday, Thursday or Friday.
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:21 am

doesnt CO fly CLE-LGW

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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:47 am

Indeed, looks like CO is down to one mainline 733 and an ERJ-145 for the CLE-DEN &/OR DEN-CLE route.

I took this route once on a 733. . .(the a/c was bumped up to a 733 from a 735 for that day). CLE was efficient for my layover, but very outdated, like the old MDW, and not one good viewing area that I found during my layover time. I spent my time talking with two CO 737 crews that day. . .so I had a good memory anyway.
On the flying in and out side. . .I found CLE to be very interesting and busy. . .I flew through on a mostly cloudy, bumpy day making the experience for me even more delightful.

Like I said in my earlier reply #21. . .ERJs everywhere. . .it was a sight to behold. In my mind, just because CLE has more RJ flights, doesn't necessarily make it a non-hub. What about airlines with either mostly RJs or Propjobs? They sometimes have a hub all their own. Bahamasair comes to mind. . .having only a couple 732s and quite a few Dash8s. . .their hub in Nassau. . .
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:02 am

I was hopeful for a flight announcement or two, but sadly it was not to be. However, CO makes most of their domestic flight announcements in the December to February range. Hopefully we will see some announcements then for mainline, express, and connection.

Still, CO's continued presence will be a huge boost for the economy of the city and the airport.
 
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RE: Continental Announcement In CLE

Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:33 pm

DIA said: and not one good viewing area that I found during my layover time.

That's getting to be more and more true everywhere, it seems to me. At some airports (BWI, for example) at some gates it's hard even to see the plane you're boarding. The airports with the best spotting sites tend to be the smaller ones with the least to look at.

CLE should reopen the deck on Concourse B; the TSA has already cleared everybody who has access to it.

SHUPirate: I agree with Falcon84; measuring flights on the lightest weekday understates all the activity you're trying to measure and this is especially true for CO. The Wednesday-Thursday difference in total flights at IAH is proportionately about the same as in CLE: 539 on Wed and 634 on Thurs. Pick Wed and you miss a hundred flights that also operate Fri., Mon. and (most of them) Tues.