nomorerjs
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And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:38 am

We've seen the seasonal announcements (SXM, etc.) and new route announcements (Vietnam, NGO), but what is unannounced?

ORD-ICN?
ORD-VIE?
SFO-South America?

Who knows what UA will do next. It's about time management realized internationl is the answer and domestic inhales vigorously. Just wish the Ted experiment would end.

Your thoughts?
 
airplanetire
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:02 pm

When did UA say it was going to fly to NGO and Vietnam? I'm not doubting you; I've just haven't seen any form of announcement.

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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:11 pm

airplanetire,
ho chi min starts dec7th or 8th and ngo starts june 1st...........sgn is a tag on from sfo-hkg 744 and ngo is going to be a n/s from sfo on the 777....
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ordpark
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:22 pm

TED is not an experiment....in fact it will probably grow....TED serves a purpose - provides an outlet for mileage plus redemptions and keeps the feed for intl long hauls intact...
 
behramjee
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:47 pm

If u go to united.com it says that Vietnam flights officially commence from Dec 9th onwards and special fares are avbl from all USA cities to Vietnam.

http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6722,50064,00.html

The new UAL routes are soon to be IAD-CPH daily with B 777s as SAS cant fly the route so theyve asked UAL to fly it and both airlines will codeshare on it. Last I heard it would be a B 772ER on this route or has it since been changed to a B 763ER???

SFO-NGO (Nagoya) will commence from FEB 05 daily with B 772ERs.

ORD-PVG daily B 777s begin from Oct 31st.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040729/cgth067_1.html

As far as Guangzhou (CAN) goes...only NWA have announced flights to the city from DTW via NRT using B 744s...I havent heard anything from UAL concerning CAN flights.
 
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 12:54 pm

Ted flights are full and doing very well financially. The upcoming flights to Mexico and the Carribean liesure destinations will all be Ted. No first class seating means they're selling more seats. Customers like the product. Ground crews are turning around the Ted A320s very quickly and they're seeing more hours in the air making money. International expansion, other than the liesure flights to warm climates, will almost exclusively be to Asia/Pacific. Maybe a few new flights elsewhere to make the Star Alliance whole, if and where needed.
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gigneil
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:07 pm

The new UAL routes are soon to be IAD-CPH daily with B 777s as SAS cant fly the route so theyve asked

Hmm, wonder why? SK used to serve IAD daily... so I don't know why they couldn't now. They still have the right.

If UA can support a 777, SK could support a 333.

As far as Guangzhou (CAN) goes...only NWA have announced flights to the city from DTW via NRT using B 744s...I havent heard anything from UAL concerning CAN flights.

UA has announced SFO-NRT-CAN Mar '05 becoming nonstop SFO-CAN 2006... pending government approval.

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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:09 pm

I am seriously surprised UA has not re-introduced nonstop LAX-MEL.

MEL continues to be served as a tag on the LAX-SYD services. They are already getting 50% loads on this [sales are restricted to 50% from what I understand].

Given that SQ may enter the sector, I would have thought it would have made sense to get in there now.

 
Bicoastal
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 1:16 pm

SAS still flies IAD - CPH and will in the future. The UA substitution on the IAD to CPH route is for the winter only. I believe it will be a 763. Apparently, SAS needs to take a widebody out of service or redeploy it temporarily. UA is filling the void. Nice to see Star Alliance members working together. A quick search will find the topic from last week on this subject. Though I'm sure UA and SAS have it worked out, forum members still have some unanswered questions...what will happen to the SAS check-in and associated staff at IAD during this time? Can UA round up enough flight attendants who speak one or more Scandanavian languages?

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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:07 pm

sk is wet leasing a 763 vs a 777 that i earlier posted....temp as they have a/some 330s going in for a heavy ck....we have been told it is a sk op flt and sk policies will prevail...sorry to all of us ual people in here that wished to use e-wyo on that flt also for the first time there WILL be SK F/As on that flt out of iad.........
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SegmentKing
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:59 pm

the IAD-CPH flights are operated by United for SAS. SAS is "chartering" the plane and UA is staffing it at minimal levels with the rest filled by SK FAs. I believe that the SK FAs can not do certain duties onboard, however, due to UA AFA contract clauses. (sort of how Hooters Air operates under the Pace Air banner... 3 Pace FAs and 2 Hooters gals).

I believe UA will ground handle the flights in IAD, and SK on the CPH end.

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baw716
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:02 pm

It is not unusual for an airline to wet least aircraft if some of their aircraft go in for a C or D check. I am, a little bit surprised that SAS would be caught in a situation where a high number of their 333s are in for C or D checks at the same time. Did they put them in service at the same time? Anyone know the answer o that?

I agree it is good that Star members work together to solve each others short term problems. However, if SK is wet leasing the aircraft, I would imagine that UA pilots are flying, SK F/As are on board as well as a certain number of UA F/As due to their contract. Is this also correct?

Its a good deal for UA. They put an aircraft in service that would otherwise not be; operating costs are minimal since there are not a full contingent of F/As nor other UAL personnel or equipment required at CPH to handle the aircraft. Good deal for SK; they need an aircraft quick and UAL can provide one with crews.

One other question: Will SK ask UA to reconfigure the 767s temporarily with only Business Class, or will they leave the 3 cabin as is and SK sells the F cabin as their normal sleeper service?

Thanks for your input....baw716
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 4:21 pm

I am afraid that on the Atlantic market we won´t be seeing too many new routes. The increase United announced will mainly come from swapping routes to larger aircraft and possibly addeing a flight on profitable routes. They have been doing that for a while already, e.g. from 777 to 744: LHR-IAD, LHR-SFO, FRA-SFO, FRA-IAD, FRA-ORD (will soon be the case) or 763 to 777, such as MUC-IAD.

As to new destinations in Europe, I would expect FCO, possibly VIE and quite likely DUS. Especially the latter is seeing a significant growth to the US recently. LT will soon fly DUS-JFK six days a week with 332s and LH is supposedly thinking about upgrading their DUS-EWR to 767 or 330.
 
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:26 pm

BiCoastal....


Not all of the Mexico and Carribean routes will be TED. In fact, none of the Carribean routes will initially be TED, all are planned with 757s and mainline A320s. Cancun, will be mainline from Denver, but that can all change depending on the yields.

San Jose Del Cabo is an interesting case, in that it will be TED from SFO, but mainline from DEN.
 
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Fri Oct 08, 2004 10:33 pm

I think SAS will be back in Washington from next summer, but just now they have too few longhaul aircraft. They are increasing Copenhagen-Shanghai flights from 3 to 6 weekly. I guess they still are considering San Francisco, Hong Kong or Guangzhou and Osaka.
 
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:43 am

Is it true that UAL needs to have EXTREMELY high load factors just to keep its international/transborder routes profitable because of the current financial situation?

That's what someone was saying in another forum in regards to the possibilty of upgrading aircraft types on YEG-DEN and maybe YEG-ORD. (This is a new route having been just started in Sept./04) UAL cannot upgrade from RJs flown by United Express/Skywest because it needed to have load factors of at least 90% just to keep these two routes profitable. Other US carriers like CO weren't requiring such high load factors - I think CO only needs 67% to break even on routes into Canada, for instance.
 
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:35 am

they need to restart service to CCS, hopefully from ORD but DEN or SFO would be nice too.
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B757200
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:11 am

Yep. It was a shame they stopped flying to Venezuela. Wish they would open service to any of the cities Venezuela747 mentioned, or maybe IAD too.
 
SFORunner
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:37 am

Baw716 - The International 763's dont have the United Suite (sleeper bed) in F. Only the 744's and 3 class 777's have them.


 
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:01 pm

The UA 763 willed be manned by an all UA crew as it goes against company and FAA policies that there be crews of a different airline operating the cabin service. Also the SK 333's are going to have the Connexion by Boeing install over the winter. SK will be back on the IAD-CPH route next spring.


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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Sun Oct 10, 2004 11:02 am

764-

I think it's extemely unlikely that LH will upgrade thier EWR-DUS service. It's LH's second worst performing route over the Atlantic in terms of SLF. Granted, the current flight only offers business class seats, but if the 55% average SLF is any indication, it will not be upgraded. I'd say the same for United starting ORD-DUS... With a Privat-Air flight already being offered by LH, and being LH's worst performing trans-atlantic route, I think that move would also be unlikely. UA did offer ORD-DUS at one time. I flew it back in the summer of 1996 and it was actually a pretty full flight... Not sure when it was dropped.
 
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:03 am

I doubt UA will restart service to CCS any time soon. Competition too intense to Latin America.
 
UAL#1fan
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:21 am

Especially with American basically owning the U.S.- Latin America market
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:52 am

I am seriously surprised UA has not re-introduced nonstop LAX-MEL.

I think the 744's were to weight restricted, this route is one of the main reasons QF got the 744ER.

Also UA can't pick up pax in SYD to continue down to MEL, 50% sounds high to me considering the pax on the SYD-MEL sector come from LAX and the connecting SFO flight.

When MEL was served via AKL even loads were low especially in the latter years, may have done ok in the early years.
 
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:55 am

What aircraft will UA operate into SXM for their seasonal flights?
 
nzblue
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:06 am

What aircraft will UA operate into SXM for their seasonal flights?

Boeing 757-200

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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:07 am

What aircraft will UA operate into SXM for their seasonal flights?

They will be flying a 757 between ORD and SXM from what I've heard.
 
UAL#1fan
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:17 am

I think UA should reintroduce round-the-world service by flying to India again. Thoughts?
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ZK-NBT
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:33 am

I think UA should reintroduce round-the-world service by flying to India again. Thoughts?

Sounds good, add a stop in AKL somewhere in there aswell!
 
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RE: And The New UA Int'l Routes Are...

Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:05 pm

Cheers NZBlue.
It would be nice to see UA back in AKL again, but comming from the States and via Asia (the round the world thing) that would mean 2 stops at the very least. Don't people prefer point to point travel?

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