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New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:15 am

Has anyone ever heard of a new venture which will hopefully take place.
I dont much about it, but apparently Gold Airways may be the new Australian fully serviced domestic airline..

Love to know more about it..

http://www.flygold.com/
 
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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:25 am

That seems very embryonic, doesn't it?

It would be interesting to see how a full service airline would go in Australia, considering that Qantas has that market sewn up. Also, Qantas, far from sitting on its laurels, is upgrading the domestic full service product as well...

Could be interesting, if it gets off the ground. I somehow doubt they will find the money to do it...

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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:41 am

Although It would be fantastic and I like the idea of having another fully serviced airline, however I would have to agree with you ClassicLover..
 
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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:33 pm

Wow that would be GOLD! Another full service airline in Australia would be great, i am not too fond of the low cost carriers and much preffer traditional carriers. I would love to see Gold start operations, however i too must agree with everyone else this seems highly unlikely. I just doubt that there is enough demand for a fourth major dometsic player in the market for a population hardly exceeding 20 million.

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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:32 pm

we simply don't have the population to support 4 national airlines... had Qantas not introduced Jetstar, then this new airline may have found things easier. Although DJ whinge moan and bitch about QF and JQ, JQ has basically meant that no other airline can enter the market leaving the QF group and DJ to basically fight it out for marketshare.
 
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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:39 pm

The only way a new full service airline could get of the ground and drive either JQ or DJ out of the market would be to have A LOT of financial backing (ie from a major airline)

This mob don't have that, I mean they have been trying for over 3 years to start up!
 
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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:51 pm

It seems that is is a joke, because the translation in french, does not mean anything and is very funny. Fly is translated as the fly this little dirty insect ...
 
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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:47 pm

Could this be SQ's attempt to enter the Australian domestic market?

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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sun Oct 10, 2004 8:30 am

Singapore Airlines effectively did a deal with Qantas over 'on-carriage' or connecting flights that is so good it has no incentive to throw more money after the $700 million or so it has already burned on Air NZ/Ansett.

JQ has done considerable damage to Qantas and DJ yields, with Qantas admitting to a 9.6% drop in July and Virgin Blue shocking the market with a 20% drop in profits in the four months to the end of July.

But JQ is not going head to head with DJ where it does the most damage to Qantas which is the trunk line routes like SYD-MEL and SYD-Brisbane. And it appears to have driven a lot of former Qantas customers in Tasmania and the Gold and Sunshine Coasts into Virgin Blue jets, where they have discovered it is a much more comfortable experience than Jetstar, and at pretty good fares.

(The fares situation is very confusing, you can get great deals on all carriers if you haunt the websites. Really p**sses off the corporate accounts and small business types like me, because these accounts no longer deliver consistently competitive outcomes.)

Bearing in mind that all three carriers are run by pretty smart people it is safe to predict that all three may change their style of service in some manner over the next year or so.

Room for a fourth carrier just isn't there, as people have rightly noted. And you'd have to ask where they would get the necessary gates at the major airports. The new Adelaide domestic terminal is pretty shabby for REX but great for Qantas and Virgin Blue, as you'll see when it opens soon, T2 at Sydney is looking so tight they are trying to force REX out, and Qantas is dealing with its inability to sell T3 at the 'right' price to Sydney Airport, which wants to blend T2 and T3 via the horshoe shaped area that lies between them.

One things for sure, the market isn't going to back a full service carrier if it wants to have a float. They don't earn enough money, even Qantas says it is making less than an adequate return on investment, so it will have to be low cost in structure, whether it chooses to go the Virgin Blue/JetBlue route or model itself more like Ryanair/Jetstar.
 
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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sun Oct 10, 2004 8:32 am

I don't think this is true.

I mean their web site looks like sh*t. Nothing looks professional here.
 
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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:16 am

This supposive dubious airline has been doing the rounds for quite a while now, it still uses the below website for recruiting and has been for some time.

http://www.pacificsouthwestengineering.com.au/

A lot on this has been reported from the Sydney Airport message board and pprune under cabincrew.

 
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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:23 am

From a spotters' persepective it would be nice to see a new airline, but I reckon it has as much chance as mark latham becoming prime minister.
South Australian Spotter www.ryanhothersall.net
 
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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:23 pm

have heard of the proposal, and i doubt it will get off the ground.

A320 full service carrier, serving the east coast trunk routes.
these proposed start ups are a dime a dozen.

Latham didn't become prime minister, and i think this GOLD proposal has very little chance of getting off the ground
 
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RE: New Fully Serviced Australian Airline?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:29 pm

If this is was going to happen, why hasnt the media mentioned it.

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