behramjee
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Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:57 am

Malaysia Airlines will start a flight to Ahmedabad from Dec 16 this year, Syed Abdillah was quoted by the financial daily, the Hindu Business Line.

The flight to Ahmedabad will be operated thrice weekly.

Malaysia Airlines' increased flight schedule is in response to an offer by the Indian government to fly to 18 tourist destinations.

In response to the Indian government's announcement of a "limited open sky policy" for all airlines, Malaysia Airlines plans to mount more than 100 flights between December this year and March 31 next year.

The Indian government has announced that it will have a "limited open sky policy" between Nov 1, 2004 and March 31, 2005.

Malaysia Airlines will also offer daily flights to Mumbai besides increasing to three the number of weekly flights to Bangalore and doubling the frequency to Hyderabad to two flights a week, Syed Abdillah said.

Also on the cards are an upgrade on the aircraft type flying to Chennai, a move which will see it offer more than 90 seats on every flight in each direction.

Syed Abdillah said, "We are contemplating and looking into sectors like Amritsar, Kochi, Thiruvananthapuram and Tiruchi."

Flights to CCU will be launched from Jan 15th 05.

So now from AMD, MAS and SQ will be going head to head!!!
 
mrniji
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:01 am

So now from AMD, MAS and SQ will be going head to head!!!

I am just wondering whether the airport will be able to handle this.. and how many Patels will open corner-shops around Big grin
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jasepl
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:06 am

and how many Patels will open corner-shops around

LOL! Subin, I am nearly one, so I can make another joke:

Q: Why aren't there any patels in the Premiership?
A: Because whenever they get a corner, they'll put up a shop!

However, you do have a point. The International terminal at AMD's been under construction forever now. I had gone to Ahmedabad a couple of months ago and saw AI's 744 just in from LHR about to depart for BOM. Presumably pax had to embark and disembark by the stairs!

I'm sure airlines can make a lot of money from AMD, but the AAI better get its act together and get a terminal ready asap.
 
mrniji
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:12 am

Jason, I know that one Big grin Let me contact my Patel source and get some other ones, will email you..!  Smile

AFAIK LH is interested in AMD for the future, too... they can get a heck lot of traffic from US and Europe... AMD could be an important increased future destination in AIs network, too, once the building deserves the name airport.. I hope it won't end up like 'The Dump' in BOM...

btw, how is the status for the modernization of AMD??

I had gone to Ahmedabad a couple of months ago and saw AI's 744 just in from LHR about to depart for BOM. Presumably pax had to embark and disembark by the stairs!

To be honest.. I think this has more charme than these tunnels  Smile at least, you see the a/c better and make better pics..
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jasepl
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:19 am

AFAIK LH is interested in AMD for the future, too

I'm going to try to control myself this time. So all I'll say is that LH are interested in every single airport. Just you wait and watch them suck AI dry.
 
behramjee
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:30 am

Im very surprised that Gulf carriers such as KU-GF and QR having A 320s havent as yet begun flying to AMD as there is a massive Gujrati population in the Gulf-AUH-DXB etc region plus onward connections to US-EU-UK-East Africa.

The one carrier that can do well from AMD is EK with A 332s 3-4 times a week as it serves all the important NRI Guju destinations except for YYZ/YVR/LAX but that can be done via a change of airline connection from LHR.
 
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:32 am

Any idea if this flight will be a code-share with Air India? (like their BOM, BLR, HYD flights)?
 
jasepl
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:44 am

Behramjee, a carrier would make money from AMD from business pax as well. It's not a pure VFR destination anymore.

As for VYR and YYZ, these are more North Indian VFR destinations. LAX is more of a mixed bag. For the hard core Gujju destinations in North America, I'd have to go with EWR, JFK, ORD, ATL, IAH, SFO.

[Edited 2004-10-09 21:56:51]
 
mrniji
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:54 am

As for VYR and YYZ, these are more North Indian VFR destinations

As complement to this, I am really interested to see how SQs SIN-ATQ flights will do with 6th gen freedom pax.. any idea about loads?? I guess the flights will be packed with sadars and their puters and gudiyas coming back home.. probably lots of ghee in the baggage.. Big grin

[I once met a Punjabi women at the security in DEL... she was pulled out because there was something suspicious in her baggage... she was on the way to HKG... finally, the security found out that she was visiting her son there and took 5 Litres of Ghee along Big grin ]
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Vimanav
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:02 am

Behramjee

GF definitely has AMD in its sights. The problem with the A320 is the product. See the kind of traffic from AMD. Its NOT labour who would actually not mind aircraft type so long as the price is okay. Amdavadis are more discerning as much as the incoming Gujaratis and would not opt for the cramped A320 when wide-bodied comfort is available at a slightly higher price. Moreover, knowing the sensibilities of the Gujaratis, they are most at home with AI. They will however also opt for good top end European carriers. But (dont fry me for saying this), a carrier from an Islamic state comes lower in preference.

While I say this, EK might still make hay at AMD by sheer strength of their product. GF and KU are however not in the same league. And in case of KU, with just 3/A320s where all can they deploy them? You see the situation in ISB and LHE where equipment changes from A320 to bigger aircraft (due to non availability of the type) are more the rule than the exception.

Hope this clarifies somewhat.

rgds//Vimanav
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:17 am

Vimanav,

it is interesting what you say, but may I ask a question?

Talking about the 'Gujus' (now you guys, especially Jasepl Big grin don't fry me): aren't they very 'money-conscious'? That's the way I know them.. I agree that most Gujus won't use an islamic carrier if not necessary (but let's not forget the huge Muslim Population un Gujarat, around Kuttchh, AMD etc), but if they get a cheap price offered, don't you think this is an important factor, too?

Agreed with your comments on AI.. hope they do something to increase their frequencies of AMD (and ATQ - now Sean will fry me Big grin - , for my own sake... but as I know us fellow Punjabis, we would rather take HY et al, if it is cheaper Big grin )
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jasepl
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:33 am

Moreover, knowing the sensibilities of the Gujaratis, they are most at home with AI.

Don't forget about BA Vimanav. They're as much of a homegrown carrier for the Ahmedabad-Baroda-Bombay-Surat crowd as AI!

Talking about the 'Gujus' (now you guys, especially Jasepl don't fry me): aren't they very 'money-conscious'? That's the way I know them.. I agree that most Gujus won't use an islamic carrier if not necessary (but let's not forget the huge Muslim Population un Gujarat, around Kuttchh, AMD etc), but if they get a cheap price offered, don't you think this is an important factor, too?

To stereotype, Subin, we are money conscious in that we expect to get what we pay for. Gujjus have money and don't hesitate to spend it. We just don't seem to feel the need to flash it about like certain communities (that shall remain unnamed) do.

Stinginess, on the other hand, isn't a Gujju trait either. That is something we leave for certain other communities that shall also remain unnamed!

And give us more credit re the Islamic carriers! Gujjus - at least the travelling type - aren't all that bigoted.

As for cheap fares, well, one might be Gujarati, but one is also Indian...

[Edited 2004-10-09 22:36:34]
 
behramjee
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:28 pm

Vimanav...your point concerning KUs lack of acft avbl is v true no doubt...as far as the GF A 320 goes...well I expect that to the aircraft used for AMD flights unless they put in GF Traveller B 763s for the route.

QR now has the option of sending A 320s or A 321s to AMD if they ever decide on launching it.

Its surprising that BA opted for a city like KOCHI in the re-negiotiated bilateral instead of AMD which has more potential for them than COK does !!!

AMD needs at the most the following airlines more than others such as MAS-KU etc:

1. SQ
2. EK
3. LH
4. BA
5. AI
 
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 1:12 pm

While wishlists for Ahmedabad service are all well and good, the bottom line remains that the international "terminal" looks like (and probably is) a cross between a converted fire station and public toilet.


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The airport can handle a grand total of 7 aircraft on ground, with no more than 2 simultaneous widebodies. Anything more than that and they have to set up folding tables on the lawn for immigration. There are zero jetways and only 3 security checkpoints, which restricts peak processing capacity to barely 150 pax per hour. They still don't have a taxiway to access runway 23 which means aircraft have to backtrack all the way. And people want to see an increase in intercontinental nonstops from this place? Are you kidding me?



To make matters worse, one of Praful Patel's first moves as MoCA was to put a stop to the construction work on the new terminal while he appointed a committee to look into irregularities in the award of the tenders. AAI has also been ordered to disallow any new slot applications from international airlines beyond those already approved (SQ, MH, 6Q and one other I can't remember).

AFAIK LH is interested in AMD for the future, too

Traffic to AMD will boom from 2005 after the WTO garment quota regimen expires. Gujarat is already a huge exporter of textiles and this will only grow in a free market environment. Ahmedabad has to be ready to take advantage of it.

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jasepl
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:19 pm

People do want to see increased intercontinental flights from AMD. And AMD is going to need them more and more in the future. However, as we all know, our wonderful new minister (and all the wonderful ministers who preceded him) have their own agenda. Sadly, said agenda rarely features airports, airlines or aviation.

Nice pics of AMD, but they hardly do the place justice. It looks like a construction dumpyard these days!
 
Vimanav
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Sun Oct 10, 2004 5:17 pm

I agree that most Gujus won't use an islamic carrier if not necessary (but let's not forget the huge Muslim Population un Gujarat, around Kuttchh, AMD etc), but if they get a cheap price offered, don't you think this is an important factor, too?

Yes, this segment could no doubt contribute especially if the price is right - however not to the kind of volumes that you can see from the Patels and Shahs. From what I have seen of the Islamic community market in AMD, the main inquiries are regarding religious movements including those of the large and influential Bohra community. Its surprising that no Gulf carrier has been able to really endear themselves to this segment so far.

Don't forget about BA Vimanav. They're as much of a homegrown carrier for the Ahmedabad-Baroda-Bombay-Surat crowd as AI!

I did not mention BA only because they were not in the discussion. BA is 100% bound to do well to AMD and I am surprised to learn that they opted for COK over AMD after the new renegotiated bilaterals. But as Sean very aptly stated, the AMD international terminal is an apology in itself and this together with the fact that BA may be considering double dailies from BOM could have swung the pendulum against AMD.

And give us more credit re the Islamic carriers! Gujjus - at least the travelling type - aren't all that bigoted.

Its not a question of being bigoted. Its just a question of preference and comfort levels - something that is perfectly justified and cannot be grudged.

rgds//Vimanav

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jasepl
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RE: Malaysian To Start Ahmedabad, India

Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:07 am

I did not mention BA only because they were not in the discussion. BA is 100% bound to do well to AMD and I am surprised to learn that they opted for COK over AMD after the new renegotiated bilaterals.

Who knows what actually was discussed in London! However, since AMD is more or less AI territory, perhaps it wasn't an option for the Brits. AI could just be keeping the market warm for LH to sweep in... (Sorry, couldn't resist!).

Its not a question of being bigoted. Its just a question of preference and comfort levels - something that is perfectly justified and cannot be grudged.

You're right. But I would say that my statement applies to all Indians, not just Gujarati. We, as a nation, are quite the paradox. We've always been one of the most tolerant countries in the world. At the same time, we've shown ourselves that Indian society can be amongst the most bigoted and intolerant an a regular basis.

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