jhooper
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L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:13 pm

Yesterday I was driving along Hwy 90 from Del Rio to San Antonio when I went through the town of Hondo (approx. 35 miles W of San Antonio, Texas). What appeared to be the tail of an L-1011 caught my eye, so I had to investigate. Sure enough, my suspicions were confirmed and indeed there was an L-1011 Tristar parked in an open hangar at Hondo Municipal Airport. I drove onto the tarmac (hey, the gate was wide open  Big grin ) and parked right next to this beautiful, newly painted aircraft. I wrote down the current registration number as C5-WAL ; couldn't find any pics of this reg in the database. However, crossreferencing this reg number with the serial number (193B-1066), I found this was originally a TWA bird.



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The L-1011 was truly a great aircraft; too bad they're hard to come by these days....
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:26 pm

I love that plane too thats so cool running across one just like that

 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:27 pm

Jhooper,

AH-HAH! Answers the question where this plane got painted then...There's a pic of this on skyliner-aviation.de but they quote the pic as being taken at DAL which is incorrect...I thought that the field it was actually at was New Iberia, LA as there's a lot of painting that gest done there.

As for the airplane itself, C5-WAL is the former Northeast L1011 3D-NEG which was in DAL for at least 7 months and was the star of the pilot episode of "LAX", being the Serb Air example shown.

If my wife wasn't due this week, I'd head out to Hondo!

Jeffrey
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:32 pm

I also favor the l1011 though i have never actually been on one (im from 1989) after most were pulled from production. the most recent time i have seen a l1011 was on lost when they broke it up and put it on the beach. the end of airplanes is truly unfortunate.
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Sun Oct 10, 2004 7:16 pm

so is it still in the yellowbird NE colors with the fictitious "Serb Air" airline titles?

..were there any other airliners at Hondo?


 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Sun Oct 10, 2004 8:21 pm

A340spotter,

If you are referring to the L1011 that was(or is) parked at DAL for at least 3 years, then this aircraft at Hondo couldnt possibly be the same one. I wish I had looked at the tail number of the one in DAL last time I was there. It was parked over near the terminal that Legend used while operating. It belongs to some high profile Arab who had some work done there and decided not to pay the tab. And the storage costs continue to mount. Of course, I could be wrong!


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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:33 pm

Well I don't know how they painted an L-1011 in Hondo, Texas...? They barely have a hangar big enough to fit a narrow body.
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:16 am

Well, the tail was sticking out (that's how I noticed it from the highway). But the wings fit in just fine....



from: http://flytristar.tripod.com/page/news.html


World Air Leasing Gambia [Gambia] will lease former Northeast Airlines L-1011-50 3D-NEG (msn 1066) from TriStar Capital. The aircraft will be operated by West African Link [Gambia] on scheduled and charter flights from Banjul. It has already been re-registered C5-WAL and is currently being repainted and having its interior modified by Jet Center Aviation at Hondo, Texas. According to the airline, delivery will take place around September 25 and operations are set to commence on October 11. Additional L-1011s may be acquired. A homepage has been opened at www.flywal.com.
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:18 am

Here's what it looks like now:

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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:02 am

Hondo Tx... Great memories !!!!

For those who live in the San Antonio area or those who will be visiting Hondo and this great Tristar, make sure to arrive at lunch time and pay a visit to the Flightline Cafe at the airfield. It serves the best food in the area (for the student pilots or those flying for pleasure it is truly MUST for the 100-Dollar-burger).

Jhooper: That is a great looking bird; thanx for sharing the pic. I will be visiting the SAT area in early November; will rent a plane and go to HDO to see it!!!

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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:27 am

I will be visiting the SAT area in early November; will rent a plane and go to HDO to see it!!!

No guarantee it'll still be there, but best of luck at catching it before it leaves. As for Hondo, the airport appeared completely abandoned when I was out there Fri afternoon. Anyone know when the USAF quit doing flight screening out there?
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:05 am

Any idea when / if this L1011 will come outside to play (and be photographed)?
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:42 am

I was out in Hondo back in 1998 on a business trip with my airline at the paint shop. At that time the USAF Flight School was on a 'Stand Down' due to issues with the training aircraft.. or so I was told. The Air Force was also doing early testing with the Drone Program and I saw some neat stuff there, be it from a great distance. I will say the food at the Flightline Cafe is WELL WORTH the trip. I was there 7 days, and I think I ate their everyday for lunch. Also, a few days before I arrived I missed seeing John Travolta out there checking out the paint shop for some paint work on his 707.
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:22 pm

Jhooper do you know when this Tristar will leave and what route it will take on delivery? btw thanks for the pic

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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:29 pm

ATC Rick,

To follow up on your question, you're thinking of the L1011 VR-CGF which has long since departed...
This particular one (3D-NEG/C5-WAL) was up until last month, parked near the end of rwy 31R on the northeast side of the field in full Northeast colors.

EMBQA, the painting may have occured at DAL and the interior work done at HDO? Total guess...

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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:39 pm

A340Spotter, could you or any other Texas spotters update us on the delivery date/route of C5-WAL?

btw were you able to get any shots when it was in full NEA colors? If you did that'll be a rare slide to have.
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:25 am

Jhooper do you know when this Tristar will leave and what route it will take on delivery? btw thanks for the pic


Sorry, I don't have any idea.....And to give credit where credit is due, that photo is linked here from http://www.flywal.com. I'm heading back to Del Rio within the hour so I'll at least be able to tell you if it's still there.
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:24 am

Yes I checked out their site and saw where you got it from. The network they say they'd like to operate is interesting and quite ambitious, even New York! I don't expect that'll ever happen, but at least the website with their logo, the Gambia flag etc give it a good first impression.

Thanks again I'll appreciate any info. You might run into someone that knows where it's heading. Last time when it was painted in NEA colors it went through FLL on it's way to Dallas. There is a chance it could stop in FLL again on its way back to Africa.
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:41 am

The plane is ex-Northeast Bolivian Airlines, owned by the Flightstar Group of Miami, FL. It will enter service with West African Link of The Gambia. It is under going fresh paint and some maintenance modifications/updates at Hondo. This is the airplane that also appeared in "LAX" as "Serb Air." The same photo was submitted to the database last week from the photopgrapher, not certain if it was accepted.
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:40 am

It's still there as of today (11 OCT 04). I drove by at about 5:30pm. Perhaps someone with FBOWEB or a similar program could program in an alert for flight plans filed at Hondo and would get some advance notice of where it's headed.
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:39 am

Jhooper:

Thanks once again for the info. The thing is (at least what I've heard) those flight trackers don't usually list small/unknown airlines that aren't in their database yet.

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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:34 pm

Thanks once again for the info. The thing is (at least what I've heard) those flight trackers don't usually list small/unknown airlines that aren't in their database yet.

If you happened to know the ATC callsign, you should be able to track anything (except military and "blocked" callsigns) I used to subscribe to fboweb, and you could have it send you an email alert whenever an outbound or inbound flight plan was filed to a certain airport.
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:41 pm

from their website:

WAL active ICAO 3 letter code is WAZ & call sign “Gambia Jet”

 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:10 pm

how does a widebody land at HDO? airnav says runway limit for double tandem is 90000 lbs only, that's probably way, way below the OEW for a L1011.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KHDO
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:39 am

how does a widebody land at HDO? airnav says runway limit for double tandem is 90000 lbs only, that's probably way, way below the OEW for a L1011.

Your guess is as good as mine...
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:54 pm

Here's a photo of it from MyAviation taken in Hondo.


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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:05 pm

That appears to be the exact same photo as in reply 8 does it not ?

When is it leaving? Callsign, route?

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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:08 pm

Thanks Latin, but take a look @ reply #8

So when will it leave HDO?
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:14 pm

ok you got ahead of me Rob  Sad

 Smile I put a flight alert as C5-WAL on fboweb.com, not sure if that'll work, but I haven't gotten an e-mail yet.

I tried an alert for flights out of the airport but the only option was for flights ARRIVING at HDO.. I don't know if there's a way to this.
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:19 pm

That's the photo John took. He owns the plane and runs Flightstar Group in Miami, FL. He must have put it on his site, too. I know A.net rejected it. I'll send him an e-mail to find out details.
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:23 pm

A little tip for you Mario, these rare flights often fly across the Pond with the prefix 'X', ie. XC5WAL. I have seen one appear on a flight-tracker before too although I don't believe they're common. I don't know the reason for the Xray prefix either.

Just for interest, the Algerian AF C130's fly across the Pond with the prefix 'N', ie. N7TWHO for example.

B727 3D-BOC recently flew from either Gander or Bangor to Paris CDG as 'X3DBOC'. Likewise, Senegal Gvt as X6VAEF.

Bizjets often use it too - X8PMAK being a common one.

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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:47 pm

Rob, callsign according to www.flywal.com is "Gambia Jet". I imagine it might stop somewhere before crossing the pond (maybe FLL since Flightstar group is based there.

btw thanks for the tip Big grin will try to put an alert with the X in front.
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:14 am

Imho, it's unlikely to use 'Gambia Jet' across the Pond and even US airspace for that matter. ATC's don't like new unfamiliar callsigns and prefer to spell out the operator code instead so if it does fly using its company ID I would expect to hear 'Whiskey Alpha Zulu (digits)' on the airwaves rather than 'Gambia Jet'.

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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:10 am

I am so happy my old L-1011's are seen as as the beauty they were. I worked at Lockheed at Burbank in the 60's and am proud to have helped in my small way make the Tri-Star the ship that she is. I can still remember when the Lockheed' monthly news letter had a competition to name the ship I think I asked to call her TriLectra after the last and most wonderful large passenger turbo-prop (Electra) ever made. Talk about plush and a smooth ride.
My grandpa worked on the Connie at Burbank and I remember as a kid of his pride when building the tri-tail for President Eisenhower. He said the code name for that last prop AF-1 was "Operation Green River. Was in service till Kennedy got the B707 which tragically carrid hi his coffin from Love Field in Dallas to to DC. He also worked at Kelly Johnsons' SKUNK WORKs on th U-2.
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:14 am

as you can see, don't know much about flight tracking, just saying what I read lol. What flightracker are you using?

Latin Aviation, please ask him when and what route the plane is taking. Gracias
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:32 am

Excuse me Senor? No comprende?
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:42 am

@Dantiger

The beautiful silhouette of one taking off or landing, especially seen from below is a sight no aviation enthusiast can forget. I used to live near MCO and I could remember looking out of my window at night and seeing those 2 red lights flashing from landing DL Tristars. So common back then, as were Eastern's, with that metal shining bright under the florida sun.

TriLectra, like the name  Smile
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:48 am

Dantiger, I was talking to RobK before, I hope you comprende, Señor. lol
 
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RE: L-1011 At Hondo, TX

Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:33 am

A340Spotter,

Thanks for clearing that up. Any idea where that aircraft went from DAL?


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