COAMiG29
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Airplanes In The Desert

Sun Oct 10, 2004 2:39 pm

Is it possible to buy a plane out of storage in arizona or another boneyard? if so can anyone tell me about how much money and time it would take to restore a average condition 747 to flying condition?
thanks in advance for any answeres.

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RE: Airplanes In The Desert

Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:16 pm

Well, you can buy them, but you have to show the airline that owns them the cash. You probably have to also have a word with the FAA about your intentions with a craft that large. There is a 747SP out in Marana with a price of $500,000 on it, another at 1.5 million. The ex-QF ones are in great shape, but the engines are not cheap and probably need some overhaul work. I am betting those planes are due for at least a C, possible a D-check, that is some cash, as is changing the interior. They are perfectly flight worthy as is, so it is just about MX. Probably cost 5-8 million over the purchase price to get it certified and then you have to pay a crew, insurance, fuel and hangar/ramp space. So, COAMiG29, is your real name John Travolta?
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RE: Airplanes In The Desert

Sun Oct 10, 2004 3:25 pm

thanks for your help.
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RE: Airplanes In The Desert

Sun Oct 10, 2004 4:01 pm

Hey, if that info helped you and you buy a plane, I expect a ride  Big thumbs up
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RE: Airplanes In The Desert

Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:03 am

N1120A,the QF -SP's are scrapped. VH-EAA & -EAB .
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RE: Airplanes In The Desert

Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:15 am

As I remember reading a while back (and I HATE it when I can't site my source!!), there are four levels of aircraft storage, depending on what the customer is willing to pay for:

Level A: This is for planes that are only temporarily being stored, such as direct from the manufacturer to a customer that cannot take them up immediately. Only the most minimal preparations are done to the airplane, so it will be ready to fly at a moment's notice.

Level B: While still in flyable condition (nothing is removed), more extensive preparations are taken to ensure that the plane will be in good condition whenever the customer needs to have it returned. I think a good example of this would be United's 744's and 777's stored at Victorville.

Level C: Some of the older airplanes that might not ever fly again use this. VERY extensive preparation goes into this, and while it may seem silly to store a fuel-guzzling 727, much like trading an older car into a dealer, it will be worth more for its parts than anything else.

Level D: The most extensive without being retired. LONG term parking is planned.

That's what I remember. The more long-term the plane is planned for parking (with eventual re-usage), the more it costs to park, as the more extensive the preparations. So, as to buying a 747, you might want to see if the airline still owns it AND how much work it would need to restore it to flyable condition!!

If anyone knows more about these levels, I would be delighted to be corrected!!  Big grin
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RE: Airplanes In The Desert

Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:16 am

Most of the stored aircraft are not owned by the airlines. 98% are owned by either lease companies or major lenders. Nearly all of them are on a "floor plan" of some sort. Much of the restoration being done on large aircraft is usually financed by the major lenders who are building spec aircraft for the purpose of re-sale to airlines and freight carriers. This what happens at Goodyear.

Check with Evergreen for leads to owners which have aircraft stored at the Marana facility. I'm sure that many are for sale for the right price but mostly in cash. Then, get ready for costly C and D checks with necessary repairs, which must be done prior to most lenders agreeing to give you the money.
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RE: Airplanes In The Desert

Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:36 pm

NWA610US was sold at Marana for only $65.000! It consisted of only a hull! It was sitting on the bare ground, totally void of any useible parts. wings and tail sub frame in tact, but the only use for this plane was for the smelting pot. I thought (while chewing on some payote) of sealing it up air tight and filling it with helium..... making a funky kite out of it! oh well.....
 
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RE: Airplanes In The Desert

Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:02 pm

Most of the airplanes in the desert are there for a reason. They are no longer economical to fly or they are due for heavy maintnance that is not economical to perform (Cost to perform a heavy C or D is more than the value of the airplane). Sad but true, most of the birds in the desert will never fly again. Look for them soon on your local beer can aisle!
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RE: Airplanes In The Desert

Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:15 pm

How about visiting planes in desert? Especially the old ones which won't fly again?
Is it possible to go there and just walk in or do they have extreme security or regulations?

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