flybynight
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Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 3:42 am

We've all seen the amazing pictures of landings at SXM.

However, when, say a KLM 744, takes off, there is obviously a lot of jet wake. Does the road and beach temporarily close, or is the distance from the runway to the road and beach far enough away?
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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:15 am

Well, that depends on how you define "far enough". I have been by the fence when a Corsair 743 was taking off, and would have had trouble standing if I hadn't been holding on to the fence. So, yes, you can definitely hurt yourself if you are not being careful... but it sure is fun.
 
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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:02 am

The roads don't close whilst aircraft are departing. I Managed to stay standing for the AA/US 757's departing, but was blown into the sea by the AF 343. You've got to be careful as there are rocks about, so you don;t want to be blown and fall on a rock.

Its quite a bizarre beach on each of my 4 visits within 1 week, the sand/tide/rocks etc were in different places. One day there was a huge cliff like build up of sand, the next day completely flat until the road.

i wasn't game to tryi it with a 747!

I must add that I saw what looked like a cowboy TNT cessna pilot, nearly clipped the fence on landing!!!
 
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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:06 am

I Managed to stay standing for the AA/US 757's departing, but was blown into the sea by the AF 343.
I know it's dangerous. But still it sounds like a lot of fun!!!
 
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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:08 am

On my first visit to SXM (I have been 5x since) we stood behind an AOM DC-10 taking off and were blown back into the water, along with half the beach. I can only imagine the sensation of the sand being blown into bare legs is akin to that of a machine gun. Needless to say I've never stood behind any departing aircraft since - just off to the side. I have seen people picked up and blown into the water, and have their bathing suits blown off. You were once able to park at the end of the runway, but evidently a car was blown over one day.

Incidentally the beaches at SXM are famous for the sand coming and going in a matter of days.
 
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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:25 am

I was there aswell. Stood behind an aircraft I can't really remember (I think 747) and I remember I ducked to hide next to the small concrete wall, but it didn't help, so I ran into the sea, only to bite the sand when I came up for air Big thumbs up Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I read an article about a month ago, that a Swiss woman was suing someone, because she was blown away by the jetblast.

She got smacked on some rocks. She claimed the warning sign wasn't sufficient to remind people how dangerous it is. Saanding there is at your own risk, just like the sign on BON says (got dusted by a KL MD-11 this summer Smile/happy/getting dizzy)

So IMHO it wwas her fault.. but anyway. Yes, it can be dangerous if you're not holding on to anything solid.

Also, being in the jet blast of a large aircraft is just AMAZING! I couldn't stop laughing when I was standing in the middle of the jetblast of that MD-11 Smile

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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 7:04 am

As some of you might know, LGB is working on runway 30. All though the actual runway construction is finished I believed, they have been having to shut off the ILS system for some reason.

Anyways, last sunday I heard a jet aircraft roar over my house (I am under 25L glidepath) so I tuned the ATIS on my scanner and they said that 25L and 25R were in use due to lighting failures on 30.

So like any other enthusiast I got extremely giddy, and ran over to Lakewood Blvd, smack perpindicular to 25R and extremely close to the runway.

Keep in mind this was un-scheduled, and usually cargo ops were cancelled on the 30 construction days. So im standing there like an idiot under 25R with my camera and scanner as an Airborne Express 767 taxies into position. I then realized that the blast from the engines has to go somewhere. They put on there brakes and revved the engines to full thrust. Then I felt and smelled the warm blast of the engine...

...I've never been in a wind so strong. There is so much loose dirt and gravel at the end of 25R, that all of it was blown horizontally across lakewood blvd. You could not see ANYTHING! thats how bad it was. Cars stopped cause they didnt know what was going on and they couldnt see. The trees were bending over, looked like they were about to snap.

Then it was over, I was just standing there like a fool covered in dirt, i had dirt in my mouth and in my eyes, down my shirt, in my shoes. My legs scratched from pebbles. A normal person would have been saying, "Im going to get the hell out of here" but as an "enthusiast" I acted just like a kid getting off a rollercoaster, "LETS GO AGAIN! LETS GO AGAIN!!!"...sooo i waited and I waited, a CRJ-900 departed, a light breeze was felt.

So I went home and showered. Truely amazing, I believe 25R is as close (or closer) to Lakewood Blvd as SXM is close to the beach.

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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:18 am

Here's an idea of how it feels...

Go to http://www.flightlevel350.com/ and look at the SXM vid that is right behind the 747 when it takes off...
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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 1:11 pm

I stood through an AA757 taking off no problem. But I have to say it was quite a bit of hot air containing sand, small rocks, litter, etc. been blown in yer face; and considering it was a 757 I can easily see how an A340 or a 747 would knock some people off their feet if they weren't either already sitting down or hanging onto something...



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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:50 pm

Wait till the first A380 hits SXM.. with all 850 pax  Big grin That will be a "Blast"

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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 6:46 pm

I recently went to SXM this summer and I found the AF343 much stronger than the 747s...although both you need to be holding onto something to keep from getting knocked over. When the AF 343 took off, I had sand blown so hard all over me, I had a "sandburn" for a day or two afterwords...it was exhilerating.
 
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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:56 pm

Never been to SXM but I have been to Skiathos which is similar to SXM. Whats weird is that when an aircraft takes off they close the road..even for BAE 146's ! . I did once see a guy get blown off his bike by a BAE 146...although the police do ask you to move...why not at SXM?!?!

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RE: Jet Wake At SXM

Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:19 pm

I was at DFW when I was 14, I was at a spot thats now closed, but I was standing on the base of a lightpole and before I knew it, I was on the ground. An MD80 knocked me down as he accelerated when he began his taxi. That was pretty cool. I could only imagine a 747 or A340.
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