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JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:19 am

I just returned from 2 weeks in Asia, in which I flew into Tokyo(Narita) and flew out of Hong Kong. I flew Japan Airlines, and during the taxiing at both airports I saw one plane that was JAL Asia and another in a floral scheme called JALways. Can anyone tell me what these divisions of JAL are?




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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:22 am

JAL Asia was most likely JAA - Japan Asia Airways, which I think was established for flights to Taiwan. JALWays, I think, is the charter arm of JAL - they seem to operate a lot of flights to vacation spots.
 
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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:57 am

JALWays is not only charters. They operate regularly scheduled service to Guam, Honolulu and I think Saipan. If you fly from HNL-NRT you may get a JALWays flight or you may get a regular JAL flight depending on the flight time you choose. (Head on over to jal.com and try to book that flight - you'll see a lot of "operated by JALWays" options.)

JALWays is the JAL tour operator, though. But their flights operate on a regular schedule and anybody can book on one.

JALWays operates older equipment (currently 742's, 743's and I believe MD-11's), has US-based flight crews and cabin crews based out of somewhere in southeast Asia, I think? Malaysia or...? I can't remember exactly.
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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:06 am

I believe JALways has a little less higher standard in service and or equipment. Like a international three class 744 used for JAL vs. a domestic two class 742 or MD-11 used by JALways. Plus I think JALways is aimed a little more a families, discount travelers where JAL might be towards the business/frequent flyers.
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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:38 am

Why is Japan/JAL the only country/airline in Asia that needs a separate airline to serve Taiwan? I thought this only applies to European/N American/Australian carriers.

JALways description sounds like Resoch'a. I'm guessing they are the same.

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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 11:56 am

JALways description sounds like Resoch'a. I'm guessing they are the same.

Reso'cha is just a marketing word that JAL made up; some here think it means "resort charter", I and other Japanese people I know (including my wife) think the "cha" part of it is meaningless (especially since it's not only a charter airline). But in any case, it's a non-existent word that JAL made up; it obviously is a shortering of "Resort" in English but the "cha" I think they just added on because of the way it sounds in Japanese. I don't think it's a shortening of "charter", especially if you read the way they use the word on their Japanese web site ("resort charter" wouldn't fit the context of the way they use it in sentences).

When I first asked my wife what reso'cha planes were for when we saw one in Japan, she said "it's the plane that flies to Hawaii. Everybody knows that." I guess this was the marketing JAL did for JALWays; it only flies to resorts, and they probably promote it as the preferred way of getting to Honolulu, Hawaii being a really popular vacation destination for Japanese, even moreso than Americans.

JALWays is the airline that operates Reso'cha planes. (IIRC, though, not all JALWays planes have always been painted Reso'cha - I've seen one 747, at least, painted basically like a JAL plane but with JALWays logos). They do send organized tour groups, which is the main point I guess, but they're regularly scheduled flights and you don't need to be part of any special group to get on one. From what I've heard, though, I'd probably rather take a regular JAL flight on one of those routes because the service and equipment is not supposed to be quite up to regular JAL standards.
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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 12:28 pm

NRT to BKK is operated by Jalways. They explained to me that the business class would be nice but not the same as ORD to NRT.
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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 2:24 pm

Well JALways' crew... I think it has a base in Thailand as well...

Anyway, the service is a bit different on the RESOCHA flights to Guam, Saipan, Brisbane, Honolulu, and Kona... they are designed to be more "fun" and have items, like ice-cream and various alcoholic beverages and fruit juices specially for RESOCHA. Some aircraft will have a more feastive decor and the seats are the same as JAL. They also have a different menu design (yes, JAL still passes out menus for Y), and for the pre-arrival snack on the Japan to Hawaii flights, you will get a small bag with RESOCHA design, which has a juice box and a packaged Danish.

JALways are also used on flights to Bangkok. The Business class on the Classic 747s are more ancient -- (JAA too) still the Seasons seat with less legroom and PTVs are only available on a few a/cs (-300s have them for sure in J, but not sure about -200). Y seats are more classic (no PTVs) but legroom is decent at 34"... for some classic 747s, the whole main deck is configured as Y seats (only J in the upper deck). But meals are basically JAL standard and vendors used by JAL. (For the Guam/Saipan flights, a picnic lunch is served with sandwiches, bottled water... if you ask me, it is a cost-cutting practice, but officially, to fit the leisure mood better, and you get ice-cream pie later in flight...) In business class, you will not see much difference -- mostly one tray service and longer flight see a separate fruit and dessert service.

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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:28 pm

Reso'cha is a marketing word made up by JAL's marketing team, but it is a combination of RESOrt and CHArter. Just look at how charter is translated into katakana: チャーター. チャ translated into romanji (and pronounced) is "cha." Also, many teens and young adult Japanese find it very hip to shorten and combine words together.

JALways started off as Japan Air Charter (JAZ) which flew only charters. JALways was spun off into a seperate operating certificate in 2000 so that it could also provide scheduled service in addition to charters, but still uses the same 3-letter code, JAZ and uses the 2-letter code JO. Cockpit crew is based in HNL and cabin crew based in BKK (that's why you have JALways operated flights to BKK)

BTW JAA also operates on a seperate certificate and uses the 2-letter code EG.
 
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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:11 pm

Just wondering, why do they need to have separate crew bases? Different contract, different pay scale as those in Japan I assume?

How does it work for those crew in BKK and HNL? Commute to NRT/Japan all the time?
 
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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 5:40 pm

Why is Japan/JAL the only country/airline in Asia that needs a separate airline to serve Taiwan? I thought this only applies to European/N American/Australian carriers.

This isn't true. For instance, look at NH. They operate to Taiwan using Air Japan. SQ and CX are different but this isn't only for NA and European countries.

JAL Ways is indeed a resort express. But the reasoning for the charter is that it was started as JAZ (Japan Air Charter) later they came up with the Resocha brand name and they started up with hiring Thailand FA's and cutting costs. The aircraft they opearte is from JAL. So the old 742 and the DC-10's although they are retiring soon.

JAA is indeed Japan Asia Airways and operates to Taiwan. But they have on flight out of NRT that goes to HKG via TPE.

Other than this, Resocha can be flown on routes where there is a high demand in tourists. For instance, many HNL flights from all over Jaapn are opearted by JAL ways and a very few on JAL. They can also fly KIX-BNE (high tourist demand) and sometimes to YVR. There a few pictures out there.
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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 8:14 pm

This isn't true. For instance, look at NH. They operate to Taiwan using Air Japan. SQ and CX are different but this isn't only for NA and European countries.

I see. But I can't think of other Asian carriers (non-Japan) that has to follow this ruling. Is it unique only to Japan in Asia?
 
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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:37 pm

Actually, Japan Asia Airways was created specifically for flights to Taiwan when China said Japan Airlines must stop all flights in and out of Taiwan so JL could serve cities in China directly from Japan.

What's interesting though was that JAA unintentionally became a huge moneymaker for JL because of the large number Japanese citizens visiting Taiwan on business and tourism and the very large ex-patriate Taiwanese community in Japan who wants to visit their relatives back in Taiwan. People forget sometimes that Taiwan has surprisingly close ties to Japan, thanks to the fact that for most of the first half of the 20th Century the island was under Japanese control.

Indeed, there is still considerable amount of trade between Japan and Taiwan; an unusual example of this trade is the fact that in Taiwan, many Japanese manga serials often come out within one week of its publication in Japan already translated into Chinese! Big grin
 
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RE: JAL Asia & JALways - What Are These?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:46 am

Don't forget that a lot of European airlines created an Asia branch for flights continuing to Taiwan (usually via HKG I think). British Asia Airways, KLM Asia, Air France Asie, Swissair Asia (I think they were called that). The US airlines pretty much gave China the finger and flew the flights anyway  Laugh out loud

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