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A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:43 am

I'm hoping someone can help me with this query. Why is the first model of the A380 an 800 series aircraft? Boeing started with the 100 series of the 747, then the 200, 3 and 400, which seems logical, but why have Airbus kicked off with the 800s?

And just on that- how is possible to get the exact sub series of, say a 747? Eg- Qantas operate not just a 747-400 but a 747-412 (I think) Where do you get that info?

thanks in advance for any help with the above.
 
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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:50 am

For both prestige and Asian superstition involving the number 8.
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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:08 am

IIRC Boeing assigns a two-digit number to each of its customers and it's used as the last two numbers on the aircraft type. Let's suppose Qantas has the number 12 (just as an example), therefore a brand new 747-400 for Qantas would be 747-412. I read that number doesn't change even if an airline gets rid of an aircraft. For example, if Qantas would got rid of one of its 747-400's, it would still be named 747-412 even though the new owner had a different customer number.

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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:56 am

"And just on that- how is possible to get the exact sub series of, say a 747? Eg- Qantas operate not just a 747-400 but a 747-412 (I think) Where do you get that info?"

To answer your question further, and to add to what B757200 wrote, it depends on the manufacturer.

BOEING:
The last two digits, as B757200 says, denote the original customer for the aircraft (i.e. the airline whose negotiations with Boeing resulted in that airframe being put on the production line.) It does NOT necessarily denote the airline to which the aircraft was delivered new (in the case of a few Virgin 747s, for example.) http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk will give you a complete list of all Boeing's airline codes.

AIRBUS:
The last two digits depend on the actual variant of the series, rather than the customer. The penultimate digit depends on the engines powering the airliner, and take the following codes:
0 = GE
1 = CFM
2 = P&W
3 = IAE
4 = RR
6 = Engine Alliance (for A380)
(I don't believe there's a 5 - I asked why this was in the Tech/Ops forum but no reply has yet been posted.)
The final digit, I think, corresponds to the actual engine variant, rather than just the manufacturer, powering the aircraft. So, for example, an A321-211 and an A321-213 are both A321s, powered by CFM engines, but with slightly different versions of the engine.
Airbus's codes remain the same regardless of the ordering airline.

As for your question regarding Airbus starting with the -800 series for the A380, I think ConcordeBoy has it correctly... it's a matter of prestige, and to follow the '8' theme from the A380.

(edited for spelling)

[Edited 2004-10-12 02:57:46]
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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:31 am

Just for the record, the number -12 is allocated to Singapore Airlines by Boeing.

A B747-400 destined for Qantas would be designated B747-438 (-38 being a Qantas allocation by Boeing).

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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:13 am

Shameless self plug: http://www.rosboch.net/aviation for codes of both Boeings and Arbi.
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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:16 am

yup the 438 "long reach" is qantas.
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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:11 pm

Actually a read that its called an A380 - 800 because when it’s all configured in economy class it can carry 800 people max.
 
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Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:17 pm

When the A380 program was officially launched, Airbus said, that the first two models would be the -800 and later a stretched version, dubbed the -900. This was to clearly mark, that this would be the top end of the A380-line, i.e. there won't be any bigger A380, than the -900 (should this one ever become reality).

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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:21 pm

Their is also a shorter version planned the A380 700.
 
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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:41 pm

Yep! I didn't mention this third derivative, the shorter -700. There were talks about it in the beginning, but AFAIK Airbus never had any more infos about this type for years. Even the -900 is not mentioned anymore on Airbus's website.

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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:50 pm

Also, IMO, the -100 would probably sound a little bit old, or 'past generation', as we see in Boeing 721, 731, 741 etc. So if the A380 has a -100, doesn't that sound 'outdated'? A380-100......

But that's only my opinion...

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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:34 pm

They proberly cancelled the 900 version because its not necessary, the A380 is big enough as it is, why make it bigger and i think it could be along time before anyone makes a bigger plane that’s only if boeing don’t go ahead with the 747X.

 
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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:37 pm

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading somewhere, possibly here, that Airbus will never use the number 7 in any of it's model designations because the number is so associated with Boeing. Is this true?

I would imagine Airbus will wait and see how the A380-800 does in the market and gauge airline interest before making a decision on longer/shorter variants.

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RE: A380-800

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:52 pm

To refuse to use a number because a rival does is something a child would do so no i very much doubt thats true.


 
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:21 am

>>To refuse to use a number because a rival does is something a child would do so no i very much doubt thats true. <<

I agree, but I seem to recall reading it somewhere. I read the link Starionblue was kind enough to provide and Airbus has never used the number 7 (or the number 9) in any of it's model/variant codes yet. I'm sure eventually they will.

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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:53 am

Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall reading somewhere, possibly here, that Airbus will never use the number 7 in any of it's model designations because the number is so associated with Boeing. Is this true?


No, it is most assuredly not true.

Airbus plans an A380-700.

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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:05 am

>>Airbus plans an A380-700.<<

Thanks for clearing that up.

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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:09 am

I kinda remember reading that, yes, A360 was not good from an Asian traditional perspective, A370 was eliminated for... I don't know, but A380 and the -800 were chosen to figure the double-deck configuration...
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:22 am

Hem... The reply #3 on that thread says the same thing, but much better...

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1775185/
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:08 am

"Airbus has never used the number 7 (or the number 9) in any of it's model/variant codes yet"

Airbus have used '9', because there is the A319.

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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:40 am

>>Airbus have used '9', because there is the A319.<<

Dooh! Yep, I sure missed that one. Man, I'm really on the ball today!

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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:58 am

Airbus plans an A380-700

Well, they might call it A380-600 to avoid using the number 7.
And it will be as popular as the B737-600!  Big thumbs up

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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:22 am

They proberly cancelled the 900 version because its not necessary, the A380 is big enough as it is, why make it bigger and i think it could be along time before anyone makes a bigger plane that’s only if boeing don’t go ahead with the 747X.

Neither the -700 nor the -900 are canceled, they are just not planned in the foreseeable future. That can change quickly though if a customer feels the need.
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:09 am

When the A380 was launched airbus stated the first version would be the -800 to demonstrate that this is a fully developed aircraft. In the past -100 series aircraft have been very short lived before being improved upon in a -200 (or some other number). e.g. A320, 737, 747 etc.

Airbus have also never used the -400 designator for some reason.
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:48 am

I'm curious why Airbus didn't start with the baseline airframe and go one digit up for larger versions or one digit down for shorter ones like they did with the A320 program?

They had the base A320, the stretched A321, and the shorter A319 and A318, right?

But you have the A340-300/400/500/600...why not A341, A342, A343, etc?

Why not a base A380 followed by a stretched A381?

Something caused them to abandon the "one up, one down" product numbering system. I wonder what it was?
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:57 am

Actually, the "one digit up, one digit down" system deviates from the rest of Airbus' lineup (a short A340 is an A340-200, the longest one is A340-600, etc.). This also applies to the A330 and A380 families. Then there is the whole A300/A310 thing, which fits neither naming scheme (not to mention the A310 apparently was not a mere shrink of an A300).
 
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:04 am

They had the base A320, the stretched A321, and the shorter A319 and A318, right?

But you have the A340-300/400/500/600...why not A341, A342, A343, etc?


Airbus originally used the -X00 system on the A310. The A320 and A321 have a -100 and -200 series, if you didnt use the "one up, one down" method, you would have the 100 and 200 at the same lenth, then the 300, 400 as a stretch, then the 500 and 600 as the A319 and A318 respectively. A bit excessive dont you agree. So i guess this is why they used the "one up, one down" as an exception on the A32X line.

There is no A340-400, the A340 has 200,300,500 and 600's.
 
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:30 am

(not to mention the A310 apparently was not a mere shrink of an A300).

Indeed. Redesigned wing if nothing else.

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There is also an A340-8000, a one off special.
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:37 am

There is also an A340-8000, a one off special.

Officially named the A340-213x
 
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:56 am

Rj111. Thx for that. Good info!
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:26 pm

Personally I think it is ridiculous to think there won't be anything nearly as large or larger than the A380; what, the world doesn't expand? The damned thing just couldn't come any sooner. We absolutely need something of this size for the next few decades, after that we'll need something else, not everyone will be able to afford a projectile launch to Europe... Insane

The 8-series thing was choosen because the '8' represents the double deck fuselage, that's it. Being different in a good way is just a bonus.
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:28 pm

Once we get antigrav generators we will see really large aircraft  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: A380-800

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:55 pm

I think a few years after the A380-800 enters service we may see Airbus offer the A380-700. A number of airlines may want the plane, because I believe that Airbus might be able to push the range of the A387 to well over 9,000 nautical miles, which may finally make it possible to fly between LHR and SYD nonstop on a regular basis.

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