B757capt
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Southwest Winglets

Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:42 pm

Hi guys flew Southwest Sunday on Flight 182 from MCI-MDW 737-700 w/o winglets and was wondering what is the schedule to install the rest on the fleet?

How many airplanes are still left to be fitted?

Will the -300,-500,-700 all get them?

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RE: Southwest Winglets

Tue Oct 12, 2004 1:44 pm

I can't answer the first two questions. But I'm pretty sure that only the 73G's will be getting the blended winglets, the 735's might, I doubt the 733's will.
 
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:18 pm

The 733's are a possiblility since I believe that Aviation Partner's recently got approval for winglet installation on 733's.

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RE: Southwest Winglets

Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:23 pm

As of now, I am not aware of any plans to fit the -300s or -500s with winglets.

the 735's might, I doubt the 733's will

I can't see WN putting winglets on their -500s. Don't the advatanges of winglets only show up on longer haul flights anyway? The -500s are basically slowly transitioning to Texas based operations to replace the -200s. And, I think the -500s will soon (well, sooner than later I should say) be phazed out of the fleet. That's how I understand it. Although I could be wrong.
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:33 pm

There are NO plans to install the winglets on the 300/500 aircraft. The work package is more involved and there are increased structural modifications which apparently outweigh the potential savings.

I'll try to remember to look at the 700 mod status when I go to work tomorrow and give you an idea of the completion date and the number of aircraft yet to be fitted.

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RE: Southwest Winglets

Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:15 pm

Don't the advatanges of winglets only show up on longer haul flights anyway?

I don't know the aeronautical explaination, but they also can allow for more payload on shorter flights as well. Winglets can allow more payload or longer range, but I don't believe that they can provide both at the same time. Again, take this with a grain of salt because I'm not exactly sure.
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:43 pm

end of 04'/first part of 05' the 700's will all have winglets (tentatively)
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:55 am

Thanks guys, I guess the answer is that all -700 will have winglets by June of 2005.
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:12 am

I took a look at the winglet mod status and here are the numbers:

There are 117 aircraft with the mod already installed out of 172; which means that the 68% of the -700 fleet is fitted with winglets. 55 aircraft remain and the planned completion date is sometime in the 1st Q 2005.

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RE: Southwest Winglets

Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:46 am

Is Southwest management happy with the winglet? Are they seeing any saving? They were hestiate a few years ago about getting winglet.
 
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:52 am

Is Southwest management happy with the winglet? Are they seeing any saving?

WN really hasn't said much of anything about the winglets, but I bet we'll see something in the '04 annual report. WN was predicting a savings of 92,000 gallons per aircraft per year. With the way they hedged fuel and timed winglet instillation, you really got to admire the thinkers at WN.

There are 117 aircraft with the mod already installed out of 172; which means that the 68% of the -700 fleet is fitted with winglets

Wow 117 !  Wow!

I had no idea that many were done... but come to think of it, I've seen many many more 73G with them.
 
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:42 am

Is Southwest management happy with the winglet? Are they seeing any saving? They were hestiate a few years ago about getting winglet.

Today as we were driving around the ramp, one of the people in training with me asked exactly what the winglets were. After our trainer explained what they were, he did say that although expensive, the folks in DAL at rather happy with them due to the increased fuel efficiency that we're getting. He didn't know any numbers as to savings, but did say that overall the company's pleased with the increased performance.
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:54 pm

The fuel savings have been roughly 3% on the 700's with winglets. Management is definitely happy with them from what I've seen.

It's getting more and more rare to fly a non-winglet 700. Between the 24K thrust upgrade and the winglets we hardly ever do a full power takeoff in a 700 anymore.
 
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:10 pm

Hey Ntspelich,

Weren't you the one that asked a couple weeks ago about the WN hiring process? From the sound if your post, you got hired (?). If so, we must be at the same stage in training. When you going to Dallas? haha.

Yeah, there are still quite a few -700s without winglets. My friend and I at work figured about 70% of them have been fitted with winglets. I guess we were pretty close! haha.

Man they sure are growing on me. I used to hate seeing 737s in winglets. But now, when I see a -700 come in without winglets, it looks rather weird.
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:32 pm

Is WN management happy with the winglets?

uh huh. 3% of a few billion dollars adds up quite quickly. Unofficial date is for total -700 fleet roll out with winglets is january 14 but like i said, that is

*unofficial*
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:59 am

Anyone ever heard of somebody trying to put winglets on a 732?
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:17 am

Anyone ever heard of somebody trying to put winglets on a 732?

Well they'll be gone by January so it might not be worth the effort  Big grin
 
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:44 am

I mean't for any 732, not just WNs. I knew WN wouldn't be equipping the 732s with them.
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:41 am

Silver1SWA:

I'm flying into DAL on Halloween. For some reason they didn't want to send us down for the class on the 25th.
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:36 pm

Silver1SWA & Ntspelich-

Are you both newhires? What position?
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:52 pm

I think that they look much sexier, more feminine with the winglets. Also, 92,000 gallons per plane, at even a dollar a gallon is a whole lot of money
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:41 pm

figuring that $1 a gallon, that's $90,000 a year.

So, the winglets, per plane, pay for themselves in about 3 years, if the price of $270,000 is still accurate.

After that, it's all gravy. $90,000 * 172 planes = ~$15,000,000 a year in gas savings after the winglets are paid for.

Sounds good to me
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:48 pm

Silver1SWA:

I'm flying into DAL on Halloween. For some reason they didn't want to send us down for the class on the 25th.


Oh really? Yeah I fly out to DAL on the 24th and I think I come back Nov 2nd or 3rd. I guess we get Sunday, Halloween, off to do whatever.

I wonder why they don't want to fly you out for the 25th. Shouldn't be due to the class being full. Last I heard there is only 5 people in my class, and 4 of the 5 people including myself will be coming from SJC. When was your hire date? Maybe they want to give you more time at your station before DAL.

Silver1SWA & Ntspelich-

Are you both newhires? What position?
Welcome aboard.. it'll be a fun ride, but expect to work hard..

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Thanks. My position is Ramp Agent at SJC. My hire date was September 28th. So yeah, I get almost a full month of on the job training at SJC. I can see how there will be days where I will be working my tail off. It's been a good workout so far. But that's ok, I really enjoy it!
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RE: Southwest Winglets

Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:06 pm

SWADis:

Ramp @ BWI. Hired on Monday.
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