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Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:10 pm

Sources in Jet Airways (Indian private carrier) have info going around that they will start LHR or LGW by December this year with 777.

Any more info/news ot there ?

They are also to begin ops. to SIN and KUL with 737-800's.
 
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RobK
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:44 pm

They'll need to get some 777's first. I think you're confusing them with Air India who are starting 777 service this December.

Cheers,

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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 2:51 pm

Hi Rob,

I'm not confused dude - the AI service will begin in December anyway. Crew training is unedr way, it's definetely 9W that I'm talking about - the grapevine in Mumbai suggests that they had (discreetly) put options on 3 777's (I don't know which variant) a month ago with Boeing.

It may be LGW instead of LHR and the 777's may be in 2 class layout.

Will keep you updated.

 
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 3:25 pm

I can't think of any 777's that are open for sale other than fresh off the line. I think all the United 777's have been picked up. Now that I think of it...

Here is the current UA fleet of 777's down at GoodYear that are no longer with United.

777-222
24/05/1995
N766UA
Stored at Goodyear 07/30/03

777-222
31/05/1995
N767UA
stored at Goodyear 03/04/04

777-222
13/07/1995
N770UA
Stored at Goodyear on 10 may 2004

777-222ER
11/08/1997
N789UA
Stored at Goodyear 11/24/03
*****LEASED TO AI*****


777-222ER
28/08/1997
N790UA
Stored at Goodyear 04/05/04
*****LEASED TO AI*****


777-222ER
22/03/1999
N205UA
Stored at Goodyear 07/30/03
*****LEASED TO AI*****

777-222ER
21/07/1999
N207UA
Stored at Goodyear 30/07/03

777-222ER
12/11/1999
N208UA
Stored at Goodyear 27/07/03


This is a total of 5 a/c that have not been picked..I think.... Really is sad that the lease agreement didn't work out. I was just down at SFO and in the 45min period that I had to stay I saw aprox. 7-10 UA 777's. That and a KLM, AF, and SQ 777.

Does anyone know of any other 777's currently up for grabs? The 777-222's (non-ER) are pretty old but I don't know if any other a/c are any better (younger and up for lease/sale)

Thanks for any help!

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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:05 pm

Please treat this Jet Airways rumor-news as just a rumor as nothing will come of it till at least next winter.

If I was a betting man...I wouldnt bet anything on 9W flying to LHR/LGW by Dec 04.

See pvt airlines thus far in India are only cleared to fly to South Asian-SAARC states and tentatively to ASEAN states which btw hasnt fully been passed as yet.

But as far as pvt Indian airlines being allowed to fly to EU-UK-USA goes...this isnt happening for at least 1 year !!!
 
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:10 pm

If wishes were indeed horses...
 
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:39 pm

I hear this winter also.. rumours at Heathrow are Jet operating the 763 to Heathrow (leasing a QF slot they arent using this winter, and an Air Atlanta/Air Excel 763)
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:42 pm

Jet will have to get people trained to fly these aircraft. Probably have to sort government clearance which might take some time. So I do not see this happening this winter maybe next winter is possible.
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:45 pm

I dont think this will happen. The commies who are supporting the govt in India from outside have been making a lot of noises against this and whatever praful patel @ naresh goel want will probably have to wait
 
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 5:57 pm

No pilot training needed if they go for an immediate start with wet leased equipment.

Dont forget that Jet have a very efficient and professional operation in the UK already flying hundreds of thousands of Indians home already, mostly on GF.
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:19 pm

Its the news going around about 9W getting B777,but currently that seems far away.
9W just wont be able to Maintain the B777s at this moment unless they get Someone else to do it for them.
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:26 pm

It would b great to see 9W in Europe though. I've only flown them from Delhi to Udaipur on one of their ATRs but they are great!!!!

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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 8:57 pm

This is not happenning , it is kind of like the A 320's which sahara have been getting for the last 2 yrs and replacing their entire 73X fleet with . Like I had said earlier will probably happen when pigs fly.

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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:18 pm

Is that a Pig I seen on 27R?  Smile

JetAirways are coming to Heathrow T4 , if they get Indian Gvt route approval.

They have the QF slot on lease if needed , and also have a wetleased (complete with pilots) 767-300 available if needed. Rumour from BAA is that it will start as an all Y operation, J service to arrive next summer with their own aircraft and a longer term slot solution.

They have the distribution in place to fill the aircraft in the UK, alongside the connections in BOM to feed the flight from India..


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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:33 pm

Well probably a chicken on 27 R , but will take time for the pig  Smile .

Jet has been negotiating slots in LHR since they got the go ahead for flying to the SAARC nations. They were also in talks with BA(??) for ground handling. Unfortunately the final say rests with the govt of India and the way they work.. well not work is legendary.


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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:38 pm

FlyBoy... i agree... its all down to the Indian Government, but since the have agreed to 21 additional flights on each side starting Winter 04, I presume that JetAirways will be the first recipient of these. I know that AI have upped the ante here with their 'order' for 777's...

I do believe that the next six months will be Jet's best opportunity to enter the UK market for the next five years.
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:54 pm

I might be wrong, BestWestern, but I think the revised bilateral will be effective Winter 2005.
 
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:16 pm

UAL777222; N207UA and N208UA are going to Varig as PP-VRE and PP-VRF so the only ones availble are the non-ER 777s.

I think that a non-ER do have the range to fly LHR-BOM nonstop but I don't think 9W has any authority to fly to the United Kingdom.

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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:50 pm

since the have agreed to 21 additional flights on each side starting Winter 04

No. There are 7 new frequencies for Winter 2004, 7 new frequencies for Summer 2005 and 7 new frequencies for Winter 2005 for a total of 21.

All 7 frequencies for Winter 2004 have already been allocated to Air India, who have also acquired an additional 3 pairs of slots (in addition to the 3 new pairs already granted). AI will load their additional Heathrow services commencing in December into GDS systems by the end of the month.

Jet is notorious for putting the cart before the horse. However, the commies have made it clear that Civil Aviation policy is an issue that they are willing to topple the government on if push comes to shove. Manmohan will never even take the chance of it happening. Nice rumor, but ain't happening in Winter 2004.
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:59 pm

"However, the commies have made it clear that Civil Aviation policy is an issue that they are willing to topple the government on if push comes to shove."

Makes you wonder why the miserable commies care so much about civil aviation.

Even their beloved Soviet Union and China have multiple carriers who fly internationally.

Maybe North Korea is the new preferred commie model of choice.

Or perhaps they harken back to the days when they could show up 4 hours late for an IC flight after a fish curry and sandesh-induced siesta and STILL be in time for their flight.
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:08 am

I think that a non-ER do have the range to fly LHR-BOM nonstop but I don't think 9W has any authority to fly to the United Kingdom.

The UK and India agreed a new bilateral agreement recently, and correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Jet Airways one of the designated Indian carriers to serve the UK?

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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:15 am

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Jet Airways one of the designated Indian carriers to serve the UK?

Consider yourself corrected.

There are only two designated carriers at this time on the India-UK route - namely Air India and British Airways. Even Virgin Atlantic who operates 3x weekly into Delhi is doing so using Air India frequencies via a reverse codeshare and is NOT a designated carrier.
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:23 am

Thanks for the correction. So now the Bilateral agreement is in place, does this allow Jet Airways (assuming it manages to purchase longhaul planes) to operate flights between India and the UK, or does it still need route approval/authority even after open skies?
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:27 am

So now the Bilateral agreement is in place, does this allow Jet Airways (assuming it manages to purchase longhaul planes) to operate flights between India and the UK, or does it still need route approval/authority even after open skies?

There is no open skies.

There is no route authority granted.

There is no spare authority to grant even if they could.

There is no permission granted by the Indian government for Jet to fly outside SAARC.

There is no civil aviation policy framework that would allow the government to even grant this permission.

And people think they will be flying to Heathrow by next month? Get real folks, this is India...

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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:32 am

LOL OK that clears up a few things, let the rumour mill continue....
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:33 am

Guess there go those fantasies of nubile Jet maidens serving martinis in the sky on the way to London.

You're stuck with AI's aunties or BA's grumpy grannies.
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:33 am

Sean.. I really admire your perseverance and infinite patience Smile

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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:28 am

Im confused.
There is no open skies policy..... yet, but it will come into effect by December.
BMI is in negotiations to start daily flights from LHR to BOM and BLR. That can only happen with the open skies policy right because they are not code sharing with AI? So, by 2005 I thought 9W would, in theory, be able to fly to England. Now whether they have the equipment needed is a different matter, but the point is they will be allowed to fly, once the policy is…..policy.
Well that’s what I thought before B747-437B’s posting.
I am very confused.
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:52 am

There is no open skies policy..... yet, but it will come into effect by December

There is a timely limited open sky in the winter for designated carriers... and there is a new bilateral between India and GB, being gradually implemented, possibly enabling BD to fly...
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RE: Jet Airways To London With 777?

Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:51 pm

"And people think they will be flying to Heathrow by next month? Get real folks, this is India..."

Hey Sean,

Remember..It happens only in India.. Smile

I always fly Jet Airways (one of their shortest flights) from DEL-CHD roundtrip when I am in India and service wise, they are one of the best airlines I have ever flown. The flight time is usually 40-45 minutes and they serve you a complete meal with a two FA crew. Thats amazing. And you know what, they do it with a smile on their face and thats what makes them so wonderful.
BTW, please post as many pictures of the Mumbai airshow as you can for people like us Sad

Thanks

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