deltadude
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WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:46 pm

Why isn't WN in ATL? Doesn't want to start a war with AirTran? Seen as stronghold for DL? What's the deal? Independence Air flys in....why no WN? JetBlue tried and failed, why hasn't WN tried? Your thoughts.....

I figure the Independence Air route is to keep the ACA pilots employed......
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:48 pm

Well they surely dont have the balls to go to MSP!!!! MUHAHAHAHAHHA

As for I-Air I was there for one of their flights total pax-1

However a couple of the others had around 15 pax or so the whole time i was in ATL.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:50 pm

"JetBlue tried and failed, why hasn't WN tried?"

I really don't know, but I'm guessing they are remembering the old saying, "People learn from their mistakes. Smart people learn from other people's mistakes."??



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deltadude
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:50 pm

I rode I-Air to IAD a couple weeks ago and there were 30 people on both flights combined! Nice fares though.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:50 pm

WN has historically avoided airports with big delays because it fouls up their system to have late running aircraft like so many other carriers. They dropped SFO a year or so ago because of the delay problem. That's one reason. Rates and charges at ATL may be another reason though I don't know what ATL's are.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:53 pm

But yet thats why they are continuing to build PHL, one of the worst airports in the country for delays.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:25 pm

"Well they surely dont have the balls to go to MSP!!!! MUHAHAHAHAHHA"

haha, i dont think they have em at all. and ive got my reasons  Big grin
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm

Balls? No problem. Good business desicion when ther is so much more low hanging fruit to be picked? Now that's just sound managment.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:20 pm

Barney Captain said it best -- the best strategy isn't to try to take on network carriers at their fortress hubs. You end up getting into fare wars and you still lose money, even if the network carrier loses more dumping capacity on the route. Southwest's management is smart -- they go after high-priced markets where a high-cost incumbent carrier is less able to compete. That's why they went into BWI and PHL, and why most of the cities on the East Coast they entered had been strongholds for US Airways.

Speaking historically, Delta was the most profitable (and financially conservative, along with lowest-cost) of the network majors in the 1990's, and thus the most able to sustain a lengthy fare war with Southwest in a fortress hub. This was true through 9/11/01. And over the last three years, Southwest has added only one city aside from the already-planned ORF in 2001. In a nutshell, there are better ways to make a profit than getting into a fight with DL at ATL.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:36 pm

Could Southwest go into Atlanta and survive? Yes, but the cost would be tremendous. Expect DL Fares to be undercut across the board, and you would see DL cutting their fares to match. how long could they hold out? probably not very long, but long enough that it would eat a considerable chunk out of our cash reserves, not to mention fouling up the entire system with delayed planes from dirty tricks and over all overcrowdedness of the atlanta hub.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:42 pm

Southwest tried to enter the Atlanta market back in the 90s but insisted they be able to use a general aviation field just west of the city. The NIMBYs won out and Southwest moved on.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 10:53 pm

They'll be in ATL when the new runway is finished and they purchase AirTran...
Ask why..
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:01 pm

They'll be in ATL when the new runway is finished and they purchase AirTran...

You forgot to add "when DL prepares to file for Chapter 7 liquidation".
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:23 pm

DB777:

WN has historically avoided airports with big delays because it fouls up their system to have late running aircraft like so many other carriers

True, especially considering that WN wouldn't know what "on time" meant if smacked them right in the face. I doubt they'd want to make matters worse.

This topic has come up before and I have always wagered that it would be extremely disadventageous for WN to try a move into ATL...DL and FL would take on the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" attitude and jointly move to stifle WN's competition, making it more costly for WN than its worth.

They'll be in ATL when the new runway is finished and they purchase AirTran...

You forgot to add "when DL prepares to file for Chapter 7 liquidation".


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PHLBOS
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Wed Oct 13, 2004 11:57 pm

From Replies #11 & 12
They'll be in ATL when the new runway is finished and they purchase AirTran...

You forgot to add "when DL prepares to file for Chapter 7 liquidation".


From Reply #13

...thus proving that not all a.net users reside in reality

ATLhomeCMH,

While I can't speak for Kohflot, the intent of my follow-up reply (#12) to his (#11) was sarcasm.  Wink/being sarcastic

I'm assuming that you were aware of that.

DL and FL would take on the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" attitude and jointly move to stifle WN's competition

Good point. As it's been stated earlier and on previous threads regarding WN that they usually do not go into airports that are hubs for a legacy carriers. However, there have been exceptions! LAX, STL, DTW, IAH, SLC, CLE, and the recently-added PHL are examples of that; there are probably others. Although, what separates PHL from the others is the fact that should US go away this Feb. (as many have predicted); PHL will no longer be a hub for any carrier, and hence, will become wide open for WN to make it into a sizeable focus city.

Despite DL being in Chapter 11, the tradeoff for scrapping its DFW hub (I didn't even know they had one there) was to focus more on fortifying its remaining 3 hubs (ATL, CVG, & SLC). So I don't think WN will consider ATL at the present time.

Given the current situation (as we should all know by now that it's subject to change), there's a better chance that WN would choose DFW or even BOS before it considers ATL. This is not saying that WN would choose any of those cities, I'm just mentioning the probabilities from highest to lowest.

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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:10 am

Despite DL being in Chapter 11

...since when?  Laugh out loud
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:40 am

While I can't speak for Kohflot, the intent of my follow-up reply (#12) to his (#11) was sarcasm.

I'm assuming that you were aware of that.


Yes, of course, just thought I'd add to it.  Smile

LAX, STL, DTW, IAH, SLC, CLE, and the recently-added PHL are examples of that; there are probably others

I can see your point on LAX, DTW, IAH...but SLC, CLE and STL aren't the same scale of hubs..."super hubs," if you will...that will garner the same territorialism as ATL...DL and FL have their main hubs there and recognize the business threat of WN, thus they'd move to squash it...especially after seeing what happened in PHL.

PHL is an exception, as you alluded to, b/c of the fact that US had bigger fish to fry...such as staying afloat!

Despite DL being in Chapter 11...

Really???
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:42 am

From Reply #14

Despite DL being in Chapter 11

Correction, the portion of the sentence should read:

With DL possibly filing for Chapter 11

Thanks for the 'heads-up' ConcordeBoy
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:10 am

I wasn't being sarcastic at all..

There will be consolidation among the LCCs. AirTran's assets would fit very well with SWA.

AirTran's taking delivery of SWA-friendly 73Gs.

Southwest could try the 717 to open up smaller cities or give them back to Boeing in exchange for favorable rates on even more 737s.

It'd allow Southwest to even just experiment with DCA and LGA, but most likely those could be sold off to someone else for more cash.

But as I've said here in the past, here's the real benefit for SWA. Imagine half of ATL's C Concourse with canyon blue planes parked there...

ATL facilities are changing quite a bit. There's the planned south terminal, and with the new runway reducing delays quite a bit, I think it's a distinct possibility.

(of course, I think DFW will happen first)
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:33 am

Balls don't equal sound business judgment. In fact, usage of balls in excess can lead to shareholder derivative lawsuits if you're completely careless.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:59 am

I can see your point on LAX, DTW, IAH...but SLC, CLE and STL aren't the same scale of hubs..."super hubs," if you will...that will garner the same territorialism as ATL...DL and FL have their main hubs there and recognize the business threat of WN, thus they'd move to squash it...especially after seeing what happened in PHL.

St Louis was on the brink of a super hub, 522 flights a day isn't anything to laugh at. Actually, MidAmerica airport was partially built on the idea that they would be able to attract service from WN.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:24 am

You'd be shocked by the number of people that drive on over to Birmingham. They're doing fine where they are.

ATL is a huge, delay prone, expensive airport. I know, I know, so is PHL.

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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:49 am

WN doesn't like to deal with slot-controlled airports, either, especially since most slot controlled airports also tend to be delay prone.

The only way WN will ever start service into the Atlanta area would be when a second airport finally gets built, and more than likely, it would be like IAD was at first, way the hell away from town. Before embarking on the ATL Masterplan, the City of Atlanta did revisit the idea of a second airport, and several sites were considered before finally deciding to add another runway @ ATL, including the longtime City owned land up in Dawson County. They decided on the ATL Masterplan after the NIMBYs in several North Georgia counties protested the idea of a commerical airport.

WN did consider service out of either FTY or PDK, but in reality, it wouldn't have happened even if the NIMBYs didn't protest. The runways at both FTY and PDK are not able to handle the weight of a typically loaded 737.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 3:57 am

A couple of notes. When WN started service to Detroit, they served the smaller Detroit City Airport on the NE (?) side of town, but only moved to DTW after the city did not perform upgrades that it had promised. Plus, DTW I do not believe that DTW causes a tremendous amount of delays.

As for IAH, do they even have anything more than the flights to DAL? They started in IAH before moving to HOU to get closer to downtown (kind of started their trend of using smaller airports) and they have a minimal schedule at IAH as the majority of their operations are from HOU.

As for "having the nuts", this is just plain stupid. If I was an employee or a stockholder of an airline, I would be more concerned with the airline making wise business decisions instead of trying to show that they had the nuts to take on some big carrier. Also, are you so sure that given the current conditions of each airlines, cash reserves, and credit ratings, are you sure that DL could outlast WN? Also, with regards to MSP, given that they probably could not even get decent gate access to the airport (because MSP and the MN goverment protect NW...with understandable reason and it happens elsewhere), why bother.

Finally, Custer had nuts....did it do him any good?
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:31 am

They'll be in ATL when the new runway is finished and they purchase AirTran...

Purchase AirTran? What have you been smoking? Pass it along! Why would the FL stockholders approve such a thing? FL has issued a profit warning for this quarter, but not for the year, and they'll likely pick back up when the idiots stop speculating on oil and the price drops by a third.

True, especially considering that WN wouldn't know what "on time" meant if smacked them right in the face. I doubt they'd want to make matters worse.

WN has some of the best on-time performance in the industry. Try speaking about fact, not what's in your head.

...thus proving that not all a.net users reside in reality

See above.

St Louis was on the brink of a super hub, 522 flights a day isn't anything to laugh at.

Particularly if the city has a GMSA of less than 3 million people.

Iowa744fan:

The term is "balls." "Nuts" has a connotation of crazy, insane. "Balls" means they've got spirit, bravado, and courage.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:36 am

Sorry, I am in a rush to leave for the airport and so I only read a few responses, so I apologize if someone already said this...I don't think it's that they don't have the balls...starting an airline in any respect requires some huge balls...it's that they DO have brains. and that's the bigger thing you need.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:51 am

Iowa744fan

FYI!

WN did indeed start DTW first (6-4-87) and ran DET from July 1988 to September 1993.

They were already operating from DTW for over a full year before adding DET.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:05 am

If PDK (Peachtree Dekalb) airport on the north end of Atlanta were to accept WN as an airline...wouldn't it be lucrative?

The north end of Atlanta is where most Atlanta based business travelers are coming from in the first place...(Buckhead, Dunwoody, Alpharetta) suburbs.

Hartsfield is on the south side of the city, so current Atlanta based travelers must drive through downtown to get there which is a mess...or take MARTA which can take up to an hour to get to from the northern suburbs.

RWY 2R/20L at KPDK is 6001 x 100ft. and 20L is ILS Cat 1.

Most of the corporate traffic in and out of Atlanta goes through KPDK, so why not add 5 to 10 flights a day with the WN 737's as well?

What prevents this from happening?

I've been saying for a long time that Atlanta could support a smaller regional airport on the north end of the city. It's either the existing KPDK, or build one in the northern suburbs like Alpharetta/Cumming area.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:06 am

If PDK (Peachtree Dekalb) airport on the north end of Atlanta were to accept WN as an airline...wouldn't it be lucrative?

The north end of Atlanta is where most Atlanta based business travelers are coming from in the first place...(Buckhead, Dunwoody, Alpharetta) suburbs.

Hartsfield is on the south side of the city, so current Atlanta based travelers must drive through downtown to get there which is a mess...or take MARTA which can take up to an hour to get to from the northern suburbs.

RWY 2R/20L at KPDK is 6001 x 100ft. and 20L is ILS Cat 1.

Most of the corporate traffic in and out of Atlanta goes through KPDK, so why not add 5 to 10 flights a day with the WN 737's as well?

What prevents this from happening?

I've been saying for a long time that Atlanta could support a smaller regional airport on the north end of the city. It's either the existing KPDK, or build one in the northern suburbs like Alpharetta/Cumming area.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:20 am

a few reasons:
1- as many of you have already said, they dont have the balls.

2-ATL has too many delays. i have never travelled thru ATL without being delayed for some reason or another.

3- Airtran & Delta wont allow it.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:23 am

After checking with airnav.com, whats wrong with using Fulton County airport instead of Peachtree? Its closer to downtown ATL and the runway is only 150 shorter but can sustain heavier planes then Peachtree.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:01 am

1- as many of you have already said, they dont have the balls.

USAirways only WISHED they had the balls that SWA has. They might not have bailed on the California market after the PSA merger, and they wouldn't have hastily retreated from BWI. I find it odd that you say they lack balls when your handle has the name of the most "balls-less" airline in the USA in it.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:17 am

Southwest avoids large busy airports like the plague, even if it means abandoning potential large markets. Just like what happened in Denver, when Southwest bailed from there.
Southwest mainly flies to airports where they are the largest carrier, and to my knowledge they only fly to a few main hubs of airlines.
PHX (Which they have a huge operation at)
SEA (Which gets minimal service by WN standards)
DTW (Once again, minimal service by WN standards)
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:15 am

Elwood,
I'll take your word for it as I am not a literary expert!  Smile

Luv2fly,
Shoot, someone told me that before and I just keep forgetting it.


Also, just a question, does it seem like a lot of fans or workers from the legacy carriers are the ones claiming that WN has no balls? Are we just jealous because WN seems to be operating efficiently, using business sense instead of bravado, and most importantly, MAKING A PROFIT!!!
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:38 am

I also remember talks of Dobbins ARB possibly being used for commercial service.

If PDK or FTY were able to offer commercial service, I think that WN and B6 would be there in a heartbeat!
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:41 am

Having balls has nothing to do with running a profitable company.

WN doesn't flight into ATL for a couple basic reasons:

1. There aren't enough gates for what it would want to do.
2. ATL's famous delays means that WN couldn't turn its plays as fast as there busines model requires - planes on the ground aren't earning any money.

As for using PDK - the residents of N Atlanta would go absolutely apeshit if PDK was used for commerical flights. the NIMBY crowd just wouldn't allow it.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:58 pm

We did at one time look at Charlie Brown airport but they "locals" shot down the idea.. as for Hartsfield, one phrase comes to mind.. "Ground Delay Program" - It's VERY rare for me to NOT see a GDP when I'm at work..

In PHL we only have one big airline to schedule our flights around.. in ATL we have two to worry about.. makes it a lot more difficult.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:09 pm

I cannot believe someone here thinks WN is never on time. They have averaged 80% for almost 35 years, who else does that? They have plenty of balls. The went at US in BWI and won, UA at LAX and rule there and go after plenty of markets without specifically using the hub airport (HOU/IAH, DAL/DFW). They also have brains, which is why they let airlines kill themselves, and walk away unscathed.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:13 pm

WN will do better in DFW. Robert NWDC10
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:29 pm

That question may be answered tomorrow, Robert..
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:32 am



well givin the situation that US is in, i dont think that they can afford to put up much of a fight (WN) to win over an airport. WN obviously would not have taken over BWI if US was as strong as it was some years ago. thats a fact. when an airline tries to compete at a new airport with another dominant airline, they dont do it when they are at thire strongest. its true, the smart thing to do is to go in when the other airline gets weak. They are sensing that DL may be getting weak(since they MIGHT go into bankruptcy soon), and they jump at that opportunity. Its not like they would try to compete with CO at EWR, or with AA at DFW. WN is only successful because they avoid serious competition with the big airlines and they take advantage of struggling airlines. And when i said they dont have the "Balls", i meant that it would be a stupid thing to do and it would never work.
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:23 am

WN is only successful because they avoid serious competition with the big airlines and they take advantage of struggling airlines.

That's one of the most ridiculous things I've read in a while. Avoid serious competition with the big airlines? What? They took on United (and U) on the SoCal-NoCal Shuttle, and they basically own it now (except for SFO). They took on U at BWI (before U was struggling this badly), and they own it now.

Frankly I would much rather be a WN shareholder with their record of "avoidance" than a U shareholder with their record of "running away with their tail between their legs".
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:29 am

LambertMan:

St Louis was on the brink of a super hub, 522 flights a day isn't anything to laugh at.

Actually it is when you attempt to compare it with ATL's 2,550 daily arrivals and departures.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:36 am

.....but that was shuttle not mainline services. and US may not have been as bad as they are now when WN took BWI, but they were on their way down
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:41 am

US may not have been as bad as they are now when WN took BWI, but they were on their way down

Worth noting: US was already scaling back its BWI operations at least one year before WN showed up.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:47 am

.....but that was shuttle not mainline services.

When I said Shuttle, I didn't mean United Shuttle. I meant just the trip from SoCal to NoCal (the ~1 hour long "hop"). United actually invented the United Shuttle to compete with WN, and of course it failed. When WN entered the market, they competed with mainline United and U (when U had taken over a great airline, PSA).
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:36 am

but that was shuttle not mainline services.

What is your point to this one? Shuttle was supported by (and basically was) United and even had the beneifts of lower operating costs (at least why I have read). Either way, they were still in essance UA. As Travelin Man states, UA created Shuttle to try to counter WN in California. Just like US tried to counter with Metrojet. This point is basically meaningless.

 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:49 am

People don't really want to go to OAK/SJc they want to go to SFO. People dont wanna go to MDW they want to go to ORD. JFK/LGA but WN goes to ISP. WN in ATL yeah right. DL will kick thier but all they back to DAL but not DFW...HOU but not IAH should I keep going..you get what I mean!!
 
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:12 am

HOU but not IAH

WN serves both HOU & IAH.
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RE: WN At ATL.....dont Have The Balls

Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:19 am

People don't really want to go to OAK/SJc they want to go to SFO. People dont wanna go to MDW they want to go to ORD. JFK/LGA but WN goes to ISP. WN in ATL yeah right. DL will kick thier but all they back to DAL but not DFW...HOU but not IAH should I keep going..you get what I mean!!

What the hell is this supposed to mean?
"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!

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