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Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:05 pm

Anyone hearing anything this morning of a crash at Halifax, N.S.?
Airport apparently without power and runway lights out of service, but can't find anything on the web yet.

Jeffrey
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:12 pm

Hearing it's an MK Cargo 747-200F from BDL-YHZ that over ran the runway.
No further word and nothing on the web...

Jeffrey
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:39 pm

Hearing the a/c crashed on takeoff, airport is closed and they are not allowing pasengers in the building.
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:40 pm

 
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RE: Halifax B747 Crash

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:42 pm

More info...this apparently happened on takeoff, not landing. Airport is closed according to our staff in YHZ. MKA1602 would be the flight number, operating CYHZ-LEZG (ZAZ/Zaragoza, Spain). Prayers with the flight crew.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/10/14/plane_halifax041014.html
Quoting the story...
HALIFAX - A Boeing 747 cargo plane has crashed off the end of a runway at Halifax Airport, RCMP said on Thursday.

The airport is closed as fire departments and emergency crews rush to the scene.

Taxi drivers taking passengers to the airport had reported being turned back, saying all they had been told was that there was some sort of incident.

The airport is about 35 kilometres from the city's downtown.

No other details are available



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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:57 pm

According to http://www.flytecomm.com MK Airlines Ltd flight 1602 a cargo 747-200. Took off from BDL at 0003 and arrived YHZ at 0214.
But then it shows MK Airlines Ltd flight 1602 departing YHZ at 0207 and arriving Zaragoza, Spain (and Territories) (LEZG) at 1227.

I found this press realease which I got from CBC News Link here:http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/10/14/plane_halifax041014.html

Cargo plane crashes at Halifax airport
Last Updated Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:40:50 EDT
HALIFAX -A Boeing 747 cargo plane with seven crew members has crashed off the end of a runway at Halifax Airport, RCMP said on Thursday.
The MK Airlines jet, which had been loaded with tractors and seafood, crashed as it was taking off, ending up in a rock quarry.
The airport is closed as fire departments and emergency crews rush to the scene. There is no word on casualties. Taxi drivers taking passengers to the airport had reported being turned back, saying all they had been told was that there was some sort of incident.
The airport is about 35 kilometres from the city's downtown.
No other details are available.

 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:01 pm

Were there any casualties that have been reported?
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:06 pm

Massive explosion acft tookoff rwy24 and really never got airborne.
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:09 pm

Well, apparently you're much faster than me A340Spotter.
I hope all the crew members are ok. No word yet on casualties.
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:30 pm

Another MK 742F written off..... not very good

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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:38 pm

Word has it that the acft over-rotated did a tail strike breaking the tail
section off and continued passed the runway end and exploded.
Once again this is early information.
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:34 pm

Sad to hear this ...

It's just a matter of minutes Wiloo wil open the attack on MK-Airlines, which has recently moved to OST ...
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:49 pm

Aerial shot of the airport just for interest (taken 11/9/01, hence the amount of aircraft).


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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 7:56 pm

Reported elsewhere as 9G MKJ


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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:07 pm

Another thread reports 7 Fatalities. RIP our thoughts are with you.
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:07 pm

Reported elsewhere...

Where is 'elsewhere' ?

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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:08 pm

This is the second 747F MK has lost in about a year (can't remember the exact date of the last one); they lost one in Nigeria not so long ago.

Doesn't give one much confidence in the carrier.

Sadly, it sounds as if all on board were lost.
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:09 pm

ouch... bad weather?

R.I.P
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:10 pm


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Photo © Halifax International Airport


Although I `know' YHZ I can't recall the exact runway orientation (north,south,east,west).
So on the photo above, which position is the runway 24 crash end? i.e. 12 , 3, 6 , or 9 o'clock?
The 3 and 6 o'clock ends would be near the main highway IIRC?

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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:14 pm

MK lost a 747-200 on 27/11/2001 at ENUGU Nigeria with the loss of
1 person-Aircraft crashed short of the runway
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:17 pm

@ Kaitak:

27-NOV-2001 Boeing 747-246F 9G-MKI crashed at Port Harcourt


http://www.canada.com/maritimes/news/story.html?id=b2165ae9-5dfe-484a-8922-118037ae0554

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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 8:57 pm

The RCMP was just on the radio. He said that there are no survivors.
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:04 pm

BBC news reports it crashed into a quarry at the end of the runway on take-off. No survivors of the 7 crw. Beleived to be South African or Zimbabwean, but possibly British:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3742922.stm
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:06 pm

B-HOX
The link on Bottie's post reports good weather, partly cloudy with light winds.

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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:15 pm

Over-rotation was mentioned....sounds like a visual reproduction of that fake Air Canada 747 crash photo that pops up from time to time. Yikes. To open with the speculation (which, no doubt, some here will say `No! Wait for the official report 9 months from now!' yeah right): cargo shifting or improper weight n' balance issues?
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:17 pm

VOODOO It would be the end that is not visable in that picture, 24 runs from left to right (off the picture)
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:24 pm

Thanks Slawko,
Now that I can better visualize it.... its all the more affecting....  Sad
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:29 pm

My deepest sympathy to the victims of the crash. May they rest in peace.

BTW, any further info?

Thanks,
AK
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:47 pm

the first pics are coming up:




and for real-player-users:

http://www.cbc.ca/clips/rm-newsworld/murphy_crash041014.rm

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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:04 pm

As of 7:00, flights have started to resume on a limited basis. It's like Swissair all over again.....
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:09 pm

It crashed off the end of Rwy 06 for those interested.

The other overhead image I found won't produce a picture - I think it's something to do with the asp coding. Here's the link anyway http://www.hiaa.ca/zoom.asp?img=images/zoom/i_photographs21.jpg

Cheers,

RK  Sad

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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:27 pm

Aircraft is ex South African ZS-SAR-Waterberg-which was operated as a combi
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:39 pm

Believe I flew on this one once in colours of Garuda. Had a strange 3B- registration. Sometime in 93/4. Before converted to frieghter for SAA.

Can anyone confirm this reg.
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:51 pm

Believe I flew on this one once in colours of Garuda. Had a strange 3B- registration. Sometime in 93/4. Before converted to frieghter for SAA.

Can anyone confirm this reg.


Del. SAA 6/11/80 as ZS-SAR
Del. GIA 11/11/92 as 3B-NAS
Del. SAA 3/12/94 as ZS-SAR and subsequently cvt to cargo config.
Del. MKA 20/3/00 as 9G-MKJ
W/o 14/10/04 CYHZ RIP


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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:58 pm

oh wow. Sad news, by the looks of the wreckage it doesn't look survivable. Two crashes within 3 years. I wonder if the FAA will let them fly to the US again.

If it's 9G-MKJ I remember seeing the aircraft right next to me from the top of the cargo-U building at Miami on a rare visit it made to the airport 4 years ago.
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:39 pm

Such a shame, a great airline lose another aircraft. I think from what news reports say it might be misloading of cargo or similar that lead to the inbalance of the aircraft. However thats just the press, we all know what they're like!

Thoughts with the victims.

Henry
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:41 pm

has the registration been confirmed yet?
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:45 pm

Truly tragic news. I actually just bought the World Air Routes DVD of MK Airlines about a week ago. It makes me shudder to think that there might be a possibility that some of the people in that DVD were on board when this happened.
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:56 pm

Two crashes within 3 years. I wonder if the FAA will let them fly to the US again.


I don't think the FAA has anything to do with this seeing how both crashes took place outside of the United States.... Please do correct me if I'm wrong. Such a sad day for the Aviation world. Lose of a great a/c, and even more a great crew....

RIP

Thanks again.

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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:58 pm

"However thats just the press, we all know what they're like!"

Before everyone starts slagging the press -- remember that without it you wouldn't know anything about this tragic crash. And I notice that there's already lots of a.net speculation on what might have happened here. Most of the speculation you see in the press (and here) comes from supposedly knowledgable people taking an initial educated guess and opening their mouths about it. When, in the fullness of time, the real story is somewhat different, it's always the press that takes the heat for being wrong in the early hours of the incident.
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:03 am

Here's a link to the story or you can check it out at www.ghanaweb.com and go to the news section dated 10/14/04.
Report shows that all six crew from Zimbabwe & britain died.
http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=67720
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:13 am

Oh my...I have flown ZS-SAR...can't remember it though since I was pretty young yet I do have some pics of 9G-MKJ in JNB...this is sad...I feels weird knowing I have flown the plane that is now in a heap of metal...

RIP to the crew

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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:18 am

Bottie

The rego is 9G-MKJ as already mentioned twice in the thread!

Cheers,

Rob K  Smile
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:21 am

http://www.airdisaster.com/news/1004/14/news2.shtml

There is a pic of the crash on that page...sorry not the best site but its there.

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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:22 am

 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:34 am

Bottie, it is confirmed regardless of what that or any other source may state.

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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:35 am

An MK Airlines Boeing 747 cargo plane crashed into a rock quarry at the end of a runway immediately after takeoff from Halifax, Canada. The fate of the crew is not known, but a spokesman for MK Airlines said the situation looked grim. The airplane was on its way from New York to Zaragoza, Spain and had just made an intermediate stop at Halifax.
More information will be posted later at http://aviation-safety.net/index.shtml as it becomes available. Should it indeed turn out to be a fatal accident, a full ASN Accident Digest will be sent out as usual within 24-36 hours.
 
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:39 am

The aircraft did not come from New York. It left from Hartford (BDL).
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:39 am

HAVIK747,

It was confirmed by the CBC that all 7 crew members were killed in the crash. The Transportation Safety Board is assembling a team in Ottawa to go to YHZ.
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RE: Halifax Crash Landing?

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:06 am

The sister aircraft of this 747 - the other SAA 747-200 Combi - was the one which crashed near Mauritius in (I think) 1987 with the loss of all 150 on board. (I think that was ZS-SAS?)