dsuairptman
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Good News For GPT

Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:17 am

The following article is from a recent issue of the Sun Herald:

GULFPORT - Harrison County Tourism Commissioners discussed Tuesday the best way to approach commercial airline companies about adding flights to Gulfport-Biloxi International Airport.

Demand for seats is so high that in many cases potential visitors have difficulty booking flights from the same metropolitan areas targeted in advertising campaigns. Al Hopkins, chairman of the Tourism Commission, said he realized the severity of the situation on a recent flight from Houston.

The time has come for the county to make another pitch directly to airline executives because passenger numbers are much higher than they were four or five years ago, he said.

Commissioner Beverly Martin said the effort should be carefully coordinated with a consultant because airlines look at factors other than passenger numbers when making decisions on whether to add flights. They require storage areas for spare parts and other infrastructure, she said.

Tourism commissioners discussed the necessity of working closely with airport officials. Ken Spirito, the airport's assistant executive director, said it welcomed the tourism commission's support.

"There's definitely some synergy between both boards and we have worked together," Spirito said.

The airport is in the midst of a $38 million expansion that will almost double the size of its terminal building. Delta is adding a daily flight to Orlando with 50 seats. Northwest is adding 172 seats daily to Memphis beginning Nov. 1. Delta also increased seat capacity by 80 seats in September and October through flight changes, he said.

"By the time Jan. 31 rolls around, we are going to have as many general seats as we did pre 9/11," Spirito said. "Not many markets can have that situation. The trend is to decrease seats. We've actually increased scheduled seats."

my comments: This makes public the proof that exist of GPT high load factor and the willingness of some airlines to give us the seats GPT needs, and can fill. To people who think everyone to/from GPT should do the I-10 commute to MSY, I'd say consider GPT first, were growing, we've got more seats coming,
and the airlines are taking a chance here, because the know they can win.

Additionally, any new carriers out there (ie:UA, AW, US, AA, et al) runway 14/32 is ready for your clearence any time you'd like drop in.

Fly high with GPT!

GEAUX SAINTS!
 
iowaman
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RE: Good News For GPT

Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:44 am

Great news... I would think yields are the main thing out of there that's discourging to new carriers with FL already being there.

Today's Arrivals:
Atlanta, GA Airtran Airways 183 09:24 AM Arrived
Tampa, FL Airtran Airways 1901 11:57 AM Scheduled
Fort Lauderdale, FL Airtran Airways 1903 02:47 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Airtran Airways 659 04:41 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 365 09:40 AM Arrived
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 539 01:07 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 331 03:11 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 537 05:35 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 150 07:07 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 418 09:36 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 627 11:08 PM Scheduled
Houston, TX Continental 133 08:05 PM Scheduled
Houston, TX Continental Express/ExpressJet Airlines 2891 08:59 AM Arrived
Houston, TX Continental Express/ExpressJet Airlines 2188 11:40 AM Scheduled
Houston, TX Continental Express/ExpressJet Airlines 2043 02:36 PM Scheduled
Houston, TX Continental Express/ExpressJet Airlines 2079 05:14 PM Scheduled
Memphis, TN Mesaba Aviation 3543 10:51 AM In Flight
Memphis, TN Mesaba Aviation 3556 03:37 PM Scheduled
Memphis, TN Mesaba Aviation 3444 08:35 PM Scheduled

Maybe theese carriers in the near future:
AW to PHX/LAS
CO to EWR
NW to MSP/DTW
UA to DEN and AA or UA to ORD
Indy Air to IAD

That would really help connect the dots. I am very surprised there isn't already AA service to DFW.

Your thoughts???
 
dsuairptman
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RE: Good News For GPT

Fri Oct 15, 2004 4:26 am

Iowaman:

Thax for the input.

Yes, I think with NW strong presence at GPT (past and present) that MSP and DTW are givens, DTW before MSP probably.

I do strongly feel some form of west bound service to the west could be sustianed by GPT, even if not on a daily basis. But Yes, I'd see AW as the best canidate for that route due to heavy connections and pt 2 pt via PHX, and LAS.

CO to EWR has been in the pipeline for some time, but has yet to arrive. W/ new ERJXs, service may now start sooner than later.

FL needs more frequency to ATL. Regardless of what people say, those flights could be sustianed w/out massive subsidy payments. FL to DFW will come about, that flight has demand.

UAX to DEN is an intresting possibility, and would diffently make sense if UA launched ORD and IAD flts from GPT.

AA/Eagle will come about, I feel, when is not none, but I don't think it will be that far off. ORD could easily happen as well.

Indy to IAD or the sunshine state could happen, lots of tourits and gov't travelers to support it, frequency may depend heavily on connecting tfc.
GEAUX SAINTS!
 
dsuairptman
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RE: Good News For GPT

Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:33 pm

Also, service to BWI and/or PHL on FL is good canidate for the future
GEAUX SAINTS!
 
iowaman
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RE: Good News For GPT

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:00 pm

While thinking some more I also thought of:

US to CLT or PHL (better than nothing)
F9 to DEN
 
MSYtristar
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RE: Good News For GPT

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:00 pm

I don't think you'll see GPT-DEN. Not a chance. GPT-IAD is a stretch even. I think GPT-EWR is a possibility, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. And when it happens, it would not be more than one or at the most two daily ERJXR's.

Without the subsidies you would not see as much Air Tran service from GPT. That is the word from the Air Tran manager in MSY. I would not look for GPT-DFW on FL. Look for AA Eagle to restart that route with a few daily ERJ's in the future. There isn't room for both AA and FL in that market. AA could make it work thanks to the connections in DFW.

The truth of the matter is that GPT is a nearly 100% leisure oriented market. There is no real business traffic. No convention traffic. People go to GPT to gamble or to visit family in the area. That's pretty much it. Sure you have some NASA employees going over to Stennis, but other than that, not much business. There is enough leisure demand in the area for some increased service that much is certain, but not to the point where you'd see 100 flights per day leaving from GPT. Probably not even 50.

I can definetely see AA returning to GPT, but I think that's it as far as new carriers go.
 
pensacolaguy
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RE: Good News For GPT

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:53 pm

Well, We can all dream.
We all want nonstop service to all the major business/leisure destionations in the US, from our local airport. XXX to LGA,ORD,DCA Etc..
It's really not in our hands. (It's not our choice)
 
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:08 am

AirTran tried GPT flights out of DFW, BNA (before they dropped the city), FLL, TPA, HOU, and MCO in addition to the ATL flights, and only the once dailies from FLL and TPA remain. If the lack of seats on the route is the problem, why not just throw the 737 on the route. Delta does a Saturday-only flight as well. For some reason, GPT seems like it would be a good fit for Hooters Air.
 
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:26 am

"Yes, I think with NW strong presence at GPT (past and present) that MSP and DTW are givens, DTW before MSP probably.

I do strongly feel some form of west bound service to the west could be sustianed by GPT, even if not on a daily basis. But Yes, I'd see AW as the best canidate for that route due to heavy connections and pt 2 pt via PHX, and LAS.

CO to EWR has been in the pipeline for some time, but has yet to arrive. W/ new ERJXs, service may now start sooner than later.

FL needs more frequency to ATL. Regardless of what people say, those flights could be sustianed w/out massive subsidy payments. FL to DFW will come about, that flight has demand.

UAX to DEN is an intresting possibility, and would diffently make sense if UA launched ORD and IAD flts from GPT.

AA/Eagle will come about, I feel, when is not none, but I don't think it will be that far off. ORD could easily happen as well.

Indy to IAD or the sunshine state could happen, lots of tourits and gov't travelers to support it, frequency may depend heavily on connecting tfc."

get in line and wait your turn.. Trust me on this one........ Big grin
 
dsuairptman
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:43 am

As usuall Mystristar has dampened the mood of another great fourm regarding a great airport. MYS you need to get over your anti-GPT mentatlity, you wouldn't be losing that may pax from MSY flts. and I really get feed up with your crap about GPT- West of Texas flts never happening, truth is I believe they'd work great, and further believe (with others) that they will happen, cause Coastians and vistors here aren't going to put up with that commute to the other side of NO and all the headaches that come with it (Unless there that loayl to WN, B6, or your almighty Frontier), since there the least likely to show up at GPT.

You seem to think everyone coming through GPT is a sorry, drunk gambeler. Fact is we turn out a great deal of business based traffic from our military instillations, including Stennis, Keesler AFB, the NCBC, and Homeport Pascagoula. We also have a decent demand form civil business intities as well.
If the weren't the airlines wouldn't be increasing seats.

Srbmod: HA HA HA Hooters Air, that's a good one, but it probaly work. However I've got to gorwl at you with your quip about larger planes, Those are great, don't get me wrong, but need to understand, for whatever reason people travel, they like to have a choice of flt frequncey to choose from, this is the basis of what the hub system is based on and what pax expect.


To further my rage againsit MYStristar: IAD should have already happened. DCA is slot controlled, but middle America travelers air finding a nice alternitave with the large regional presence based their. GPT puts out a helluva a lot of pax to the DC area, IAD makes perfect sense, not "a strech".

In regards to FL failed GPT-DFW flt. That was in a time before the airline was a large and respected as it is now. There wasn't even a DFW focus city on the radar at that time, and thus no connecting opps. The flt has piss poor marketring becuase it BNA, MCO, and other flts FL droped where strictly casino funded flts for card players and slot lovers, and that's why they lost their ass on those flits, even the subsidy didn't help. Not true in the case of the remaning GPT/FL destination, there is demand, but the economics have to be pretty good, are the airline couldn' t sustian the flts, even with subsidies.

KCRW you need to grow up and relaize I'm older than you and so is GPT and we've been waiting a helluva a lot longer for service upgrades than you have, so don't you dare come telling me to wait my turn, cause I'm further up that list than you are.

To Iowaman and Pensacola GUY, thanx for your kind thoughts, there much apprciated, however PNS guy, where not dreaming @ GPT, the dedicated staff out there is working more air service ops every day.

Finally MYS, your only 1 % right agian! Eagle will return, but your dead wrong about the rest of your falsefications about GPT, please know, we've got the demand, we've got the busines folks, and we've got what it takes. Prehaps you are 2% right, even I don't envision GPT being the size of MSY, but your ridcule, and theory of no growth is dead wrong.
GEAUX SAINTS!
 
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:51 am

To people who think everyone to/from GPT should do the I-10 commute to MSY, I'd say consider GPT first, were growing, we've got more seats coming, and the airlines are taking a chance here, because the know they can win.

That's all nice and bully for GPT, but it's still in the same boat as BTR:
namely, so long as LoCos (not to mention multiple airlines who'd compete on the same routes) choose to congregate at MSY; you're still going to see a significant loss of would-be GPT pax
Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre c'est impossible sans Concorde!
 
kcrwflyer
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:57 am

"KCRW you need to grow up and relaize I'm older than you and so is GPT and we've been waiting a helluva a lot longer for service upgrades than you have, so don't you dare come telling me to wait my turn, cause I'm further up that list than you are"

Not you as a person, but GPT as an airport. (everyones older than me, i completely understand that).sorry for not clarifying, me telling you to wain in line for something would be stupid. no hard feelings.

 
dsuairptman
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:35 am

KCRW: Thanx for clarifying, however, GPT and several other airports will probably see air service increase before CRW. No offense, but GPT has been waiting in line a long time, were about due our turn.

Concorde Boy: True, but I'd like to see myself as the guy who turns the tide (to some small extinct) for GPT.
GEAUX SAINTS!
 
kcrwflyer
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:43 am

I guess so, when was your last upgrade or new service anyway?
 
FlyPNS1
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:11 am

Let's take a look at a few of these:

IAD/DEN/ORD to GPT on UA: Not likely in the next ten years. UA has a minimal presence in the South and has struggled to make any secondary southern markets work. Plus, with UA retiring many of their smaller 737's, all of the incoming RJ's will be needed to backfill those routes.

PHX to GPT on HP: Not a chance. HP has a minimal presence in the South and the demand for this route isn't there. There are tons of larger markets in the East that HP would go to before GPT. Take a look at GPT's O+D numbers, the bulk of GPT's traffic is in the Eastern US....thus there isn't a need for a ton of Western service.

DTW/MSP to GPT on NW: These routes have a chance. NW already has a decent presence at GPT and the number of banks at MEM is limited. I could see NW doing DTW/MSP-GPT 1-2x daily with a CRJ.

DFW to GPT on AA: This route could work with a few ERJ's daily. However, AA only has a limited number of RJ's and they will be very selective. I'm not sure AA wants to commit a high CASM RJ to a relatively low-yield route like GPT. Even DL has not been willing to commit to this route on a daily basis...despite the fact that DL had a hub at DFW and a good sized customer base in GPT.

IAD to GPT on Indy: If Indy's strategy of using RJ's in an LCC model works, then in a few years, this route could work. However, given Indy's current losses, I can't see them taking a chance on a market like GPT. Also, Indy might favor markets with no LCC presence, instead of duking it out with Airtran.

Airtran expansion: If GPT's numbers continue to grow, I can see Airtran adding another flight to ATL. Beyond that, I don't see Airtran adding additional markets to GPT. BWI/PHL-GPT is too thin for a 717. Airtran has publicly stated that they are hesitant to build up DFW to a hub, so you can forget that too.

One final note, while GPT's traffic numbers are growing, some of that growth is not really coming from GPT. GPT steals a substantial amount of traffic from MOB (which has no LCC). If MOB someday gets an LCC (and I believe that they will), GPT's numbers will take a hit.



 
kcrwflyer
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:21 am

"One final note, while GPT's traffic numbers are growing, some of that growth is not really coming from GPT. GPT steals a substantial amount of traffic from MOB (which has no LCC). If MOB someday gets an LCC (and I believe that they will), GPT's numbers will take a hit."

you hit the nail on the head. Only in CRW it was the other way around. Folks would drive to colombus to fly southwest. As passengers were increasing anyway, when indy came, boardings literally jumped 13% higher. I think that if INDY does fly somewhere down there, itll be MOB, because of the cities they target.
 
MSYtristar
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:28 am

Dsu, bitter are we? I am not ridiculing GPT. I am simply stating the facts, whether you choose to believe so or not.

And man, you have rage against me? Over an internet forum? What has the world come to.
 
MSYtristar
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:39 am

Also I find this amusing.

Since when did I ever say GPT will have no growth? I did not. The growth I suggested (as did FlyPNS1) is REALISTIC growth for a market such as GPT. If you want to fly nonstop to DEN/IAD/PHX/LAS so bad, just drive over to MSY, like a great number of the residents in your area do.
 
TokyoNarita
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:46 am

The loads on ATL-GPT is one of the best in ASA's system. I know that for a fact. Is it money making? probably not enough to warrant more mainline flights.

However, Delta should consider launching a couple of CVG flights from GPT on 50 seaters to give the passengers more options and the flexibility for travel Northeastward and completely avoid ATL..(which sometimes this is a very good thing for customers especially during summer months)

Also be advised that when Delta ditches DFW in Jan 2005, there are going to be handful of new CVG flight from that region (MGM/BTR/MOB) and GPT was not one of them and I was a bit surprised.

TokyoNarita.

[Edited 2004-10-17 00:56:56]
 
LambertMan
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:08 am

Dsuairptman,

MSYtristar is committing a crime.

Yes, that crime called being REALISTIC .

It's like you are taking these things personally even w/ kcrw, sheesh...
 
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:18 am

Commissioner Beverly Martin said the effort should be carefully coordinated with a consultant because airlines look at factors other than passenger numbers when making decisions on whether to add flights. They require storage areas for spare parts and other infrastructure, she said.

It's interesting how yield wasn't mentioned in the 'factors' listed in the above quote (but storage areas for spare parts seems to be more important). I think FL has a good niche for GPT (do they still have the agreement w/ Beau Rivage? or is GPT now a self-generating revenue station for FL?). Inviting competition would probably deter FL away from GPT provided the agreement w/ Beau Rivage isn't in place.
 
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:20 am

GPT is also getting a 737-200 from Delta to replace a CR7. Do not count on AirTran getting the 737-700 anytime soon. They don't fill the 717s up enough as it is. American Eagle was in here a Lonnnnnnnnnnnng time ago with flights to BNA, and when they closed that hub, AE went Axe in GPT... The only way FL would bring a 737 in here is if BR wanted to fill a plane to LAS and back, and that would either bring over competition or send out competition players. Remember, AirTran in GPT is FULLY Subsidized by Beau Rivage and Grand Casinos. I was really surprised when I saw the Grand Casino Ads on Airliners.net. I do not think you will see Independence Air in here anytime soon. I'll keep you posted.
Puhdiddle
 
kcrwflyer
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:47 am

"GPT is also getting a 737-200 from Delta to replace a CR7. Do not count on AirTran getting the 737-700 anytime soon. They don't fill the 717s up enough as it is. American Eagle was in here a Lonnnnnnnnnnnng time ago with flights to BNA, and when they closed that hub, AE went Axe in GPT... The only way FL would bring a 737 in here is if BR wanted to fill a plane to LAS and back, and that would either bring over competition or send out competition players. Remember, AirTran in GPT is FULLY Subsidized by Beau Rivage and Grand Casinos. I was really surprised when I saw the Grand Casino Ads on Airliners.net. I do not think you will see Independence Air in here anytime soon. I'll keep you posted"

you wouldnt happen to know where that cr7 is going, would you?
 
iowaman
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:29 am

you wouldnt happen to know where that cr7 is going, would you?

Probably CRW.  Big grin
 
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 9:33 am

you wouldnt happen to know where that cr7 is going, would you?

Anywhere but CRW...........just kidding.

Actually, the number of ASA CR7's based in ATL will be declining a bit as DL will be basing 19 CR7's in SLC.



 
kcrwflyer
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RE: Good News For GPT

Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:57 am

man we just cant get a break. Those CRJs to and from ATL have extremely high load factors. Our airport director was appauled when he found out that DL was adding more freq to i believe 65 cities and we werent one. Hes at least trying to get another CRJ to ATl and CVG but he really wants CR7's for at least 2 of the ATL flights.
 
dsuairptman
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RE: Good News For GPT

Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:25 am

Let me appeal to a few statements made since my last post.
Lambert Man:
First Off: To the comments regarding my taking this issue persnonally, I will not deny that I do. If you knew how intimatiely I know GPT, my native area (the MS coast) and its travel needs, then you would understand why I'm such a staunch suppoter. If those travel needs weren't there then I wouldn't aruguing for service, even if I'm looking further out into the future than others realize. So if other are guilty of commiting the crime of relaisim, then I must be guilty of the crime of optimism/considering the future.

MYSTirstar: So as not to offend you further (if I already have, and probaly did) in this post, and previous post regarding GPT expansions/ predictions, you have oft reply in the stauts qou that people will keep treking to MSY for air service. For several years now a primary tactic to keep pax in orginating in the GPT MSA (Metropolitian Statstic Area) from seeping out to the Big Easy is advertising from a consumer standipoint the need to consider not just the ticket fare, but the cost of traveling, parking/coastliner, and the loss of airport improvment funds when traveling MSY vs GPT. We want Coast traveler's to know they've got an airport here to meet there travel needs, and as those change we are tring to met them.
Seating has been a sever issue in the past as demand has always been strong, now airlines are relaizing this and are in a position, or a good risk area to grow GPT-XXX seats.This helps, but the growth continues, and airlines are in position w/ the hub/spoke structure to only provide so many seats unitl the need comes to for those airlines to expand to other hubs, and new carriers to emerege.
While you may choose to favor the status qou, and I have to respect that, I would also like rerspect from everyone for my views, even if the are optomistic/futuristic and not nessicarly based on current pax/airline trends.

Phatfarmliners: Yes, I as far as I know the subsidy payment for FL is still in effect, deffiently for the TPA and FLL flts. These 2 flts, at least, wouldn't happen with out it, because there gambling drvien. The ATL flts are a different story, while they where orgionally part of the subizdised service (and may still be) enough time has passed for a good reputation of FL service and fares to draw enough legit pax in to sustian service (in my opinion), though the airline may still be accepting payments.

BR715: The story behind AE departure goes back to a time before the RJ revolution. Ture the economics weren't there to sustian the BNA hub and all flts to/fro where axed, leaving GPT 3 daily to DFW with a stopover. The problem derived in the form of geography. The morning flt stoped over at BTR and turned Northwest for DFW. The other two dailies flew way the hell out to Lake Charles before turning North, this added more flt time in flying Halfway to Houtson on a West course before heading North to DFW, the added time came from having to fly over more land, and was unpopular w/ pax. Had these flts all stoped at BTR, or gone to Monroe or SHV, then they may haved made out better.

You are probably right on Indyair not showing up at GPT in the near furture. There a good candidate (in my eyes) but they need to build more connecting ops at IAD before launching to markets more dependant on connections, such as GPT. Even though a GPT milks a lot of military/gov't pax to the DC area, there are problems in ramping non stop service to that area: primarly DCA being slot controlled (and US current situation) writes off any chance of GPT getting access there at present. IAD is idealy situated, but a lot GPT-DC area pax head to the area better served by DCA, so they may choose to continue to connect there via other airlines, connections ops would have to improve on indy, leaving UAX as the only possible canadiate at the moment. BWI is further out than IAD, but as WN has proven, people could very will drive the distance for LCC service (Given the highway robbery of the legacies who monopolize DCA). WN is really not on my futuristic radar for GPT at the moment, so scratch that, that leaves FL, but while a GPT-BWI would be a great boon for pax to the DC area, theres still that nagging "need" of folks to want to go to DCA. Also FL offers few connections there, but hey, that is something that could happen, given the right marketing on both ends of the flt. BTW, I'm left a bit confused by your comments on FL not filling the 717, I know this happens, but from trip reports I've gotten the ATL-GPT segments have been very good, load wise. Is there some way you could provide me with more detialed information and where/who you got it from?

Phatfarmlines: If you knew the current space restrictions @ GPT, you would realize that from a ops/marketing standpoint, that is a very legitmant problem
Commisiner Martin makes. If an airline is going to serve a airport, its got to have space to store ground and other staging equipment. Right know any airline wanting to operate Regional equipment to GPT could get gate and counter space (though limited), however out back where the ground gear is stowed presents a problem. CO takes a lot of room storing their GPUs for the 737 and ERJ in addition to a small army of baggage carts. NW leaves a lot of there ramp gear out in the open ramp corners surrounding their jetway. Some of the more expensive, non water proff, stuff is stowed under a suspended part of the extra long jet way they use. There is a opening under FL gate for their gear to be placed, and DL/ASA is in the space next to them. With terminal expansion going on, some of this space is temporaily unaviable to any carrier, but thankfully, this is a short term thing, as that phase of construction raps up, more space for ground equipment will exist than before.


FlyPns1: Agian, I'm looking at the future/optomistic stand point. I am realistic in the sense that I'm not pushing for the carriers to start immidate service, that would be disasterous for airline and airport alike. I am stating/ asking which airlines may be a good fit down the road. Another point MSYtristar and yourself have made in the past to me is that GPT yield factor is not high. While this is true, phrehaps you should look at your own PNS and see the mainline strength their and that PNS has a smaller population base, and large demand for tourist travel, much like GPT, in addition you have a large military travel need with NAS PNS, but GPT outputs large military demand also. To further the likeness of our two repsective airports, there both geographically between two other commercial fields, with PNS sanwhiched between VPS and MOB which boarders GPT and to the west we have MSY. What I'm saying is to look as the size of PNS compared to GPT which has almost the same demographics mentioned above, would you not think both airports would about the same size seat wise, at present? You may also think that we have a bigger burden with MSY being closer, that's true, but our Coast airport/gov't./and civic leaders have long been crusading to lessen that burden by keeping our pax flying from an airport thats meant for them and that they pay for, and while I don't know first hand, I would hope that those marketing tactic are taking a positive track, if just in a trinkle down method.

KCWRflyer: When I was your age, I was just as intesively involved with my airport officals, as you are now. Knowing what its like to agonize over new or needed service is nothing new for me, if I can offer any encouragement its to maintian strong ties with CWR personel and heavily encourage arilines to increase there presence there. With a small regional field of its size, if CRW needs new seats, than they will come, most likely amid great fanfare. Remember, if CRW didn't get the seats it was working for this time around, airlines are always looking for places to add flights, and they will come, even if not part of the airline reformation package, believe me, I know first hand what its like to be missed when a carrier announces several new markets/flts and your airport is not on the list, GPT has been in that boat for a very long time.
At the very least,good luck and keep thinking positive!
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RE: Good News For GPT

Mon Oct 18, 2004 2:54 am

I have a couple of questions for Kcrwflyer and Dsuairptman regarding there local airports. I thought I would ask these questions before more people jump to conclusionsons.

1. How is the terminal?? Does it have room to expand??
2. How many gates are there and how many are currently used?
3. For Kcrwflyer - does the airport have any plans to extend the runway in the near future?? How about repaving 5/23?? I understand it's in terrible shape.

 
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RE: Good News For GPT

Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:02 am

I cannot tell you who I got the info from, but I can tell you they work for FL in GPT. They told me that they can fill a 717, but they cannot fill them up enough to where FL would give them a 737. So even though they fill up 717s. It is not every day that this happens, so FL will not send more seats that way unless they start overselling the 717s either 6 out of 7 days of Every day. (Then we may even get more freq.)  Big thumbs up
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RE: Good News For GPT

Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:47 am

Dsu, whatever new service GPT receives will benefit the entire Gulf South area. That is going without saying. Think of me what you will, but know that I have no ill feelings towards GPT, yourself, or anyone else looking for increased air service to their home market. I'm just being realistic (it's a hated word I know) in regards to what to look forward to.
 
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RE: Good News For GPT

Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:22 am

CRW's terminal is nice, new and remodeled. Ticket counters have skylight. ummm, We only have 1 baggage claim carousel but we really need 2 for peak times. We have 5 rental car agencies.

We have 8 gates. Each gate has 1 jetway, but parking for at least 2 aircraft. Each gate is heavily used.

Delta's gate (10) has 1 jetway but parking for 4 or 5 with pushback. the section of the terminal where that gate is will be expanded into a concourse of 3 or 4 gates, each with parking for 3 aircraft. The airport will then go to a Required pushback setting. NW will have a jetway put on its gate for a total of 12 jetways, 12 gates, and space for 20 aircraft on the ramp at one time.

"3. For Kcrwflyer - does the airport have any plans to extend the runway in the near future?? How about repaving 5/23?? I understand it's in terrible shape."

Runway 5/23 was resurfaced 1 yearago, i have no idea why airnav.com says its cracked and spalling. I flew out of there a year ago today and it was as smooth as silk. The most recent pictures of the airport on this site even show the new surface. Some were even taken before all of the painting was complete.


http://crw.natca.net/photos%20and%20videos.htm Check that out iowaman. great photos of the new concourse. Youll also find some 727/757 pictures in there.
 
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RE: Good News For GPT

Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:01 am

What I'm saying is to look as the size of PNS compared to GPT which has almost the same demographics mentioned above, would you not think both airports would about the same size seat wise, at present?

While PNS and GPT do have some similarities, PNS is larger than GPT in terms of population. According to the 2000 Census, GPT had a metro population of 246,190, while PNS had 412,153.

Looking at the February 2005 schedule (to take into consideration DL's schedule changes), here's how PNS and GPT compare.

ATL: PNS(8xMD88, 2 CRJ, 4x717) GPT(1x732,1xCR7,6xCRJ,2x717)
CLT: PNS(2xERJ,2xCR7) GPT(NONE)
CVG: PNS(3xCRJ) GPT(NONE)
DFW: PNS(4xERJ) GPT(NONE)
FLL: PNS(2xER3) GPT(1x717)
IAH: PNS(1x733, 3xERJ) GPT(1x735,4xERJ)
JFK: PNS(2xCRJ) GPT (NONE)
MCO: PNS(4xER3,1xERJ) GPT(1xERJ)
MEM: PNS(2xARJ,1xCRJ) GPT(3xARJ)
MSP: PNS(1xCRJ) GPT(NONE)
TPA: PNS(6xB1900,3xERJ) GPT(1x717)

Clearly, PNS has more seats available and more destinations, but PNS is bigger. However, GPT has more seats going to IAH than PNS, more seats to MEM than PNS and more seats to FLL. When you factor in GPT's smaller population and spill to MSY, GPT compares pretty favorably. In fact, there are plenty of other markets (similar in size to GPT) that would love to have all the service GPT has (especially the LCC).


 
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RE: Good News For GPT

Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:11 am

Don't forget about MOB. We are sitting here talking about GPT and MOB is the smallest (as it seems)
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RE: Good News For GPT

Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:06 am

While PNS and GPT do have some similarities, PNS is larger than GPT in terms of population. According to the 2000 Census, GPT had a metro population of 246,190, while PNS had 412,153.

wow, thats amazing to me. CRW's metro pop. is around 270,000, but its catchment area is over 600,000.

I thought GPT waw bigger for some reason.
 
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RE: Good News For GPT

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:09 am

ARRGHHH!!! Don't you guys just hate when your about to post and your browser resets the page, deleting your soon to be posted words? That just happened to me, but here is a recap of what I was about to post, and now will...

BR715: The fact that FL 717 may not go out full 100% of the time does not fall on deaf ears. This happens to most airlines serveing any airport. For the airline its a cost of doing business.

FLYPns1: I do not know where your figuers come from. Not to start an argument, but the figuers I assess show the GPT population area in the neighborhood of slightly over 300,000. I am not aware of the catchment area, but if I can track this figure, then I'll share it. However, with PNS being in the same state as MCO, FLL, etc. I would expect a lot of those intra Florida flt.s are to meet demand for cross state air travel.

Iowaman: GPT currently has 7 gates, 5 are presently jetway equipped, 2 are more are less out of commision due to terminal expansion. Of that all the jetway eqiupped gates are used, but the two not used could be pressed back into service for regional jets by means of ramp entery. Expansion is to the tune of 23 million (USD) and when complete will double the sq. footage of the terminal, bring gate total to 11, more room for security, counter space, and reworked baggage claim. At Present the terminal is a minila colored with the orgional terminal shaped like a square and the concouses in square and rectangle shape. Very plain. The remolded exterior will totally make the airport terminal look brand new. The exterior will have a sleek, modern, aviation like desgin appealing to regional busines pax. It will look similar to the terminals at TRI and SHV.

KCRWflyer: Agian the pop. base that GPT serves is just over 300,000, I don't know catachment size. GPT may be larger, maybe not. If I find out in the near future, I'll share those findings.

MYStristar: While we differ in your realist view vs. my optomist/futurist stand, I am glad we can both agree on your statment that any new service will benefit the Gulf South region.
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RE: Good News For GPT

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:24 am

Iowaman:
Here's a tid-bit summerizing the increased gate space with GPT enlargement:

Total square footage in the Terminal will increase from 92,000 sq. ft. to 165,000 sq. ft. When complete, the existing airlines, AirTran, Continental, Delta, Northwest and Southeast will have 50% more area in which to expand and space for two new airlines will be available for occupancy.

source: Gulfport/Biloxi Airport Authority via http://www.gulfcoast.org/gpt
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RE: Good News For GPT

Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:51 am

Just refreshing this thread.
Thanx
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