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Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:15 am

What is the role of Lufthansa's 767 fleet. What type do they have? How many do they have? Where are they deployed? How long will they remain with Lufthansa?
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:19 am

Actually Lufthansa only has one 763 in its fleet, in Star Alliance-colors. They leased it to use on US east cost flights, until The new Airbus A330-300s arrive. I think its still in sevice.
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:26 am

The aircraft flies between MUC and YUL untill the end of this month and then it will leave Lufthansa, if I'm not mistaken.
 
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:39 am

Why did Lufthansa lease it in the first place? Was there no A333 around to take the place untill their own A333 were around? And i heard the A333 were only temporarily with Lufthansa, supposedly from Sabena if I'm not mistaken. But they have their own German registration (D-AIK's and D-AIM's ) now. Does that mean they are gonna stick with Lufthansa for longer now?
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:54 am

I was looking through some older pictures and they say the 767's are from Condor. The 767 certainly looks great in LH colors.


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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:05 am

The LH 767 certainly has a beautiful interior. Nice earthtone colors with PTV's. Very unique. They should have more.


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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:11 am

And i heard the A333 were only temporarily with Lufthansa

The A332 was temporary.
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:20 am

I was looking through some older pictures and they say the 767's are from Condor.

This bird comes from Lauda Air.

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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:21 am

The cabin colors look like AA C/F cabins from the 90's.
 
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:38 am

Yes, that is a Lauda Air interior/aircraft. Here is an identical Lauda Air interior 767 shot. It reminds me a little of Delta's 1980's/90's earthtone interior. I liked that one. Unfortunately there is no example of Delta's old interior on A. net. Does anyone have a photo of it?

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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:50 am

As far as I understand, D-ABUW left line services around 5th Oct after serving MUC-YUL, with a very last shuttle from MUC to FRA. Sorry, I can see no addl. Services on that type until f/n - don't know, if it's maintenance or end of the leasing contract with NG. Would love to know, if this beauty is still in LH/Staralliance colours or back to the owner,cheers A.

Sorry, was arrival in MUC and further on to FRA on 6th Oct - thanks to Denis for his picture:


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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:58 am

Just a question out of curiosity: Was this a wet-lease? Or did LH take pilots from DE? Or did they even train their own LH pilots for this a/c?
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:01 am

as far as I have seen from the Info in the common CRS's, flights were operated on behalf on LH by DE - so, I'd guess no LH pilots on the B763
 
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:22 am

They kept the 767s much longer than they were supposed to. They seemed to like them, as they are very efficient and great for thin routes
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:30 pm

There have actually been two instances of LH operating 767's.

The first one was for a brief spell of one or maximum two years during the mid 1990's. LH wetleased one B767-330ER from DE in order to operate between BKK and SYD as a tag-on to their regular BKK flight. This was the last attempt to revive the loss-making Australian market. This experiment was stopped soon and ever since, LH does no longer operate any of its own flights to the land of Oz (except for cargo flights of course).


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The second instance started quite recently during the early 200's. LH was desperately short of long-haul aircraft and decided to lease several aircraft of varying types for a short period of time:

- ex-SN A340-300
- ex-SN A330-200
- ex-SR A330-200

plus at least one 767 each from NG and DE. These aircraft are supposedly now replaced by the new A330-300's, although the leased A330/A340 might be around a little longer. The 767 will be gone fairly soon though.
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:39 pm

As ConcordeBoy and TriStar500 have pointed out correctly, the A333s aren´t temporary additions to LH´s fleet while the A332s are/were.
The A332s are all ex-SN/ex-SR and have the registrations D-AIM* while the new A333s´ regs are D-AIK*.

All A332s are/were flown by LH crews (which was no big deal since LH already operated a huge A340 fleet so the necessary type rating could be achieved in almost no time) while the B763 was flown by Condor crews (makes sense as they operate a 763 fleet) and it has operated FRA-ATL, FRA-PHX, FRA-PHL, MUC-DEL, MUC-MIA and MUC-YUL (not all at the same time of course).
 
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:49 pm

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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:10 pm

Lufthansa first leased two Lauda Air B763ERs, reregistered D-ABUV and D-ABUW, with the introduction of the 2003 Summer Schedule to overcome a temporary shortage of longhaul planes. The two aircraft were initially deployed on the Atlanta and Philadelphia runs from Frankfurt.

However, during the summer months, an adjustment was made whereby the Atlanta station regained its A343 flight and the B763 was deployed to Phoenix.

With the Winter Schedule 2003-2004 came the introduction of the Munich-Miami non-stop and the B763 was deployed on that route, with Philadelhia reverting to an Airbus operation. At the same time, Phoenix kept the B763 until the route was eventually dropped in February. In March, D-ABUV was returned to Lauda.

As of the Summer Schedule 2004, the sole B763 D-ABUW was operating the newly opened Munich-Delhi non-stop and was afterwards redeployed to the resumption of the seasonal Munich-Montreal flight, which has since ended. The aircraft has also occasionally been seen operating flights to Faro and Malta.

As for Lufthansa's earlier deployment of the B763ER, the airline briefly operated a Condor plane (D-ABUC) between 1994 and 1995 on the Frankfurt-Sydney route, before abandoning the route altogether. The plane operated in full Lufthansa colors.

 
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:27 pm

Yea I was lucky enough to see both the 744 of LH going to Frankfurt and 763 of LH going to Munich at Miami! Nice Birds...

This winter the MIA-MUC will be flown by A343 rather than the 763.
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RE: Lufthansa 767

Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:30 pm

When are the leased A332s going to be returned? Are the A333s directly replacing them?

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RE: Lufthansa 767

Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:10 am

The 332, 33Z and 34Z are two-class, so they are replaced by 343 which are converted to two-class 34V.

The 3-class 333 replaced the 3-class 342 whose range was overkill for the medium haul routes they were deployed on.


>>>LH wetleased one B767-330ER from DE in order to operate between BKK and SYD as a tag-on to their regular BKK flight.

Jens, if you´re saying D-ABUC just did BKK-SYD-BKK, that´s not correct. She flew the whole route FRA-BKK-SYD and back, LH796/797 thrice weekly.

Before, there were four weekly 744 rotations, two FRA-BKK-SYD and two FRA-SIN-MEL-SYD.

>>>Just a question out of curiosity: Was this a wet-lease? Or did LH take pilots from DE?

LH flight number, operated by DE that in turn leased the a/c from NG; happy threesome, obviously  Laugh out loud

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RE: Lufthansa 767

Sat Oct 16, 2004 4:07 am

Hey

while on the subject of the 767, when did Iberia dispose of there leased ones?

When will the A332s be returned, i guess to ILFC since they where ex Sabena aircraft?
looking at the photos of the IB 767 it looks like it was used for the flight BCN-JFK.


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