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Ntsb Issues Scathing Report On Air Sunshine Crash

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:03 pm

"This never should have happened."  Sad

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-10-13-ntsb-crash_x.htm

I'm still looking for a reg # on this plane.  Confused

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RE: Ntsb Issues Scathing Report On Air Sunshine Crash

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:07 pm

N314AB...I have a picture of it 2 days before it crashed...

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RE: Ntsb Issues Scathing Report On Air Sunshine Crash

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:14 pm

Hopefully the NTSB doesn't turn this crash into another ill-advised call to give themselves regalatory powers.

Doing that would defeat their impartiality, and is one of the reason why Jim Hall retireing was a very good thing.
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RE: Ntsb Issues Scathing Report On Air Sunshine Crash

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:15 pm

N314AB...I have a picture of it 2 days before it crashed...

Thanks. At FLL I presume. Where are they still flying nowadays? And what is their fleet? Since they pulled out of SRQ, I haven't kept track of them.
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RE: Ntsb Issues Scathing Report On Air Sunshine Crash

Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:40 pm

Out the window goes the NTSB's objectivity.

Nice. They just made it easy for the general public to demand the NTSB place blame in incidents.

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RE: Ntsb Issues Scathing Report On Air Sunshine Crash

Fri Oct 15, 2004 3:20 pm

When I was a manager at ((another airline)), Air Sometimes... err Sunshine, had us do a few of their trips for them. We stopped doing it because the agents would constantly overload our aircraft, a couple times they'd "misrepresent bag weights" and passenger weights... I remember one of our pilots calling in range at FLL and asked me to keep some scales handy & have me weigh bags before putting them on the bag belt, he said his plane was oscelating (with autopilot on).

To this day, I'm still surprised our flight made it to FLL from Marsh Harbour that day considering how OVERWEIGHT the plane was (we're talking near Aaliyah overweight). Thank God the 402C's had the vortex generators & STOL kits on board... if something would have happened.. oye!

Unfortunately Air Sunshine is all about money and greed over safety. There are many MANY other "unpublished" reports of sloppy Air Sunshine operations, including gear collapses in the Bahamas. Money sure will keep things quiet. The owners of Air Sometimes are also suing the Bahamian government for pulling their scheduled operating authority after the crash.

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RE: Ntsb Issues Scathing Report On Air Sunshine Crash

Fri Oct 15, 2004 5:10 pm

Geeez, overweight aircraft probably also gives clues as to why the dang thing couldn't fly level on one engine either. Now there may be some people who don't like the NTSB potentially coming up with more oversight, but something like this is NOT good. Only regret is that a few bad apples like this make it worse for the rest of the commuter airlines that operate by the rulebook.
 
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RE: Ntsb Issues Scathing Report On Air Sunshine Crash

Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:43 am

I do not see how the NTSB can be impartial. Surely their role is to ensure that Transport is safe. Safe is good unsafe is bad. Yes, I do understand that perfect safety is impossible.

Frankly, the USATODAY report would not inspire me to fly with Air Sunshine.

If there are faults that the NSTB needs to say so. If segmentking's reply is representative, then should they be flying at all.

Why sdid the engine blow up in the cruise?

What was the quality standards of their maintenance?

How many times can you fail the FAA tests and still fly?

Why was there apparently no safety briefing, given that the flight was over watersurely the passengers should have been told about the life vests.

Why was the pilot unable to maintain height?
 
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RE: Ntsb Issues Scathing Report On Air Sunshine Crash

Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:48 am


I only found one previous crash on WWW.AVIATION-SAFETY.NET.

I think that it is worth reading.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1977/770115-2.htm
 
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RE: Ntsb Issues Scathing Report On Air Sunshine Cr

Sat Oct 16, 2004 12:36 pm

I do not see how the NTSB can be impartial. Surely their role is to ensure that Transport is safe. Safe is good unsafe is bad.

Completely agree. Why should they be impartial? I'm not even sure what that means in regard to air safety. I can imagine their public hearings now: "Ok, we've heard why you believe airlines should be safe. Now, in the interest of being impartial, we'll hear you over here on why airlines should be unsafe."

What the heck? I just don't get it. Their mandate is to make safety recommendations and that's it, not to be impartial. Their conclusions are based on factual evidence, not political correctness. If they were given power to enforce their recommendations, I don't see how anything would change other than airline travel becoming even more safe (I can think of a half dozen accidents off the top of my head that would not have happened if previous NTSB recommendations had been adopted).
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