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Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:26 pm

Hi, sorry if these photos have been posted before, but that landing is amazing! Very good work!

Who needs a 150' or 200' wide strip?

Actual shots are from a fairly impressive landing operation. One of SAA's
first B-747s retiring to Rand Airport, South Africa (elevation 5568 feet
with 4898 long x 50 feet wide
runway!) The 747-100 outer-to-outer main gear tire width is
41.33 ft. Empty aircraft Vref was 115 kts! Right on the center line. An inch
is as good as a mile. Nice work.


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Really impressive!

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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:31 pm

WOW! Very impressive indeed! I note the rudder deflection just short of touchdown. was there a crosswind component too? If so, then this is even more amazing and impressive.

My compliments to the crew, and to you for bringing this superb piece of work to our attention.
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:33 pm

Great airman ship. All that grey hair shows nothing but sheer experience. The 747 looks as majestic as ever.
 
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:37 pm

Nice to know there are some pilots around that still know how to fly the airplane.

How soon where they retired in favor of computer jockey's?
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:28 pm

You can see the B747 parked at Rand in these pictures.
If you visit SA at all one day, you have to go to Rand airport
and visit the B747. Great place to take your children for the day
or someone who has never been near a B747. Well done to
the SAA museum for keeping the B747 classic spirit alive..


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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:52 pm

Yikes, that was one good landing. Just looking at the second pic makes you think that one little mistake could put the plane of the runway
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:11 pm

Just looking at the second pic makes you think that one little mistake could put the plane of the runway

Actually a little mistake would have put it off  Smile
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:19 pm


Hello all

What was the Aircrafts reg?

Thanks Guy's

Euro
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 6:49 pm

Here are some threads that, at the time, reported on the preparation for that flight and landing:

SAA B747 Does Touch & Go's At Rand Airport (1712m)
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1280398

SAA 747-200, ZS-SAN's Last Flight Today
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1368610

SAA Museum B747 Final Ever Flight To Rand Airport
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1440489

European, as you can see here, it was ZS-SAN... and it sure was one impressive landing!!!

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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:04 pm

This is really old news, but a spectacular landing nonetheless, I was there to see it happen, very special moment!

As Haan says the plane is open to the public, but this pic shows the airport wasn't really built to handle 747s!!


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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:18 pm

That's incredible! Note for all those future discussions re: pilot pay....THAT'S WHY.

Seriously, it's good to know the guys flying the plane have that sort of skill....just in case.
 
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:46 pm

I think I flew what was ZS-SAN's last ever commercial flight...GRJ-JNB on November 23...not sure if this was its last ever commercial flight but very near the end of its career.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/big/ready/ZS-SAN_742_GRJ_Dec.jpg (linking doesn't seem to be working for me  Nuts )

Have a pic of it on the 23rd in the queue.

It's a shame to see the 747-200's go...such lovely aircraft. Those pilots have alot of skill...when I went to see SAN at Rand (Note the pic in Andz's post) the guide was telling us the pilots said "It was like trying to land on a piece of liquorice." Big grin . If you want to know what it must be like to land a 742 at rand fire up your flightsim and give it a go  Smile/happy/getting dizzy .

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BTW thanks for the plug Andz  Big thumbs up
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:48 pm

Amazing landing... if I were one of those pilots I'd be grinning from ear to ear for days! A pair of extremely skilled airmen.
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 10:53 pm

Nice stuff, is there a video around anywhere?

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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:00 pm

Although I have seen them before...absolutely fantastic pictures! Full credit to the pilots, amazing job!

Does anyone know if a 747 or other large passenger airliner has been forced to make a landing on such a short and narrow runway?

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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Sun Oct 17, 2004 11:05 pm

I only can say WOW!!!!!! GOOD JOB!!!!
 
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 12:11 am

Thanks leskova,


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How ,any aircraft does SAA have

742?
743?
744?

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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 1:36 am

European the only 747s SAA currently operates are the 6 remaining 744s.

Ironically the landing discussed here was the flight engineer's last flight before being forced into retirement.
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:20 am

Truly amazing, this guys are truly amazing pilots,

RESPECT.
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:24 am

I was going to joke that my wife would have a problem parking a car on a runway as narrow as that.

But that would be sexist and I won't do it.
 
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:34 am

Seeing how the main wheels barely fit on the width of the runway, and after seeing the airport pics, how do you suppose they taxied it out?

The taxiways do look narrower than the runway to me...

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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:38 am

As narrow as that runway is, the taxiways looked even tighter. Would I be correct in assuming there were difficulties in moving the aircraft off the runway?
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:44 am

A interesting sideline for those praising the flying skill, the captain on the left is Dennis Spence and he is an aerobatic pilot in his spare time, as are several other SAA pilots.

Iahcsr they tried using a tug brought from JNB which is not too far away but the tug lost traction on the grass, so they started the engines again and moved her under her own power, I couldn't stay to watch the whole operation but I believe some taxiing over grass was required.

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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:52 am

That aircraft must have been incredibly light! I wonder what the bearing strength of the runway and taxiway surfaces was?
 
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:55 am

Dennis Spence is a truly good pilot whom I know personally actually and gave me a jumpseat when I was 4  Big thumbs up ...He was in one of the 747-300's in the flypast in Pretoria
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:00 am

Theiler I asked the flight engineer about the weight and if they stripped anything out, I was told no, the aircraft was in full operational condition. Not sure about the fuel though.
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:15 am

amazing. If you told me this plane would land on that runway I would have said no way. According to the dimensions of the width of the runway to the deminsions of the planes outer wheels, there was only 4.33 feet of runway to spare on each side of the outer tires. Amazing.
 
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:21 am

and now...all we need to see is a successful water landing.
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 10:42 am

I know they can use the main taxiway in Trenton for landing, but even that's 7200x100 feet. Plus, the A310 is lots smaller than the 747. I'll remember those guys the next time I'm watching some idiot trying to parallel park downtown!
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 3:51 pm

I had a look at a link I posted about this event when it happened and I think it's worth posting again for those interested:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121600

There are some more pictures and a report from the Captain on the flight. Th quote from this, re the weight:

"The aircraft empty weight was 164 000kg and we had 20 000kg fuel on board. The aircraft was TOTALLY airworthy and every component was serviceable, it even has toilet paper in all the toilets!!!!!"

It's great reading, and there's a chart of the airport.
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RE: Very Spectacular South African B747 Landing!

Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:25 pm

You can also get all the information of the SAA Museum Society website,
http://www.saamuseum.co.za

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