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NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:06 am

According to the financial results conference call with analysts and media today, NW plans to retire 7 DC-9s in 2005 while bringing on board 3 more A330s and 4 A319s, plus the last 16 CRJs for Pinnacle.

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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:10 am

What retire them! O gosh the forum is going to break into chaos.
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:11 am

 Crying well.....at least they have a few more where they came from!! Do you know what series of 9ers will go? just curious
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:12 am

How many, and which ones, of the DC-9-10 series are still flying around for NW?

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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:13 am

I believe the DC-9-10s will be gone by the end of this year.
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:15 am

The forum will be a-buzz with rumors now Smile It's another NW retiring they're DC-9's thread....But this time it sounds like reality!. That's alot of DC-9's to get rid of.... They must be planning a large purchase.
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:19 am

"That's alot of DC-9's to get rid of.... They must be planning a large purchase."

Already happened... CRJ's.... As the person who started the thread noted, 16 more CRJ's will be coming to Pinnacle.
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:20 am

But what are they going to replace them with???????








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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:23 am

Ohhh...it has to be the 717s, what other a/c could it be  Big thumbs up
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:25 am

The baby 9's are still flying MSP-DSM!!!! Big thumbs up
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:29 am

The last DC9-10 will be retired on January 4, 2005. So if you wanna book a ticket on that last flight, find out what it will be. It will be a true sad day in Aviation History. The -10 is my favorite series, as it was the "ORIGINAL" American Twin-Jet. Such a cute baby.
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:30 am

I fly the baby 9 on the early DTW-CVG flight. Unfortunately, I've had it cancel about 25% of the time, and I was flying it weekly for awhile. But I'll take the 9 over the CRJ anytime!
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:50 am


I think to the illusions of everyone on this forum for a large order of **** to replace the Dc-9's in a bulk...this will not happen. What we will see will be the -9's leaving in numbers, such as 7 here, 9 there...10 here, and you will see them replaced by a combination of various a/c, such as CRJ's, A319s and A320s. So anyways, thanks for your service, little guys, you are wonderful!!!
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:58 am

TOLtommy- I was refering to they're entire fleet, not just the first wave. I understand they are replacing them with RJ's and busses. I was curious if they were going to make a bulk order of aircraft, and take delivery as they retired off chunks of the 9's....
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:02 am

ATA should get rid of the expensive 737s and take NW's DC-9s!  Big grin
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:02 am

I just want to ask this - how many DC-9s does NWA have in its fleet right now? And if possible, by variant?
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:27 am

Northwest currently has...


35 DC-9-50s

12 DC-9-40s

108 DC-9-30s

8 DC-9-10s

Total all variants.... 163

From NWA's website.
NW B744 B742 B753 B752 A333 A332 A320 A319 DC10 DC9 ARJ CRJ S340
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:39 am

"That's alot of DC-9's to get rid of.... They must be planning a large purchase."

Already happened... CRJ's.... As the person who started the thread noted, 16 more CRJ's will be coming to Pinnacle.


The CRJ 200 is not replacing the DC-9's, second, the new pilots contract shows that 70 seater planes will be flown by NW pilots.
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:43 am

I will be flying on a niner from JFK to MSP on May 7, 2005. Which version do they use? I have not been on a niner for many years. I have been on the 717. It will be nice to compare a new 717 to an almost 40 year old niner. With those old generation engines, I bet my vote will be for the niner.
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:59 am

Thanks for the info, KDTWFlyer. Big grin

Sounds like NWA has the largest DC-9 fleet in the world! Is that right?
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:00 am

Yea the DC9s are very cool. Anyways, May 5th, 2005 has two flights from JFK-MSP. Here they are according to the NW/KLM PC timetable...

Flight NW733
Operated by Northwest Airlines
Departure New York NY - John F. Kennedy Intl
Thu 05 May 2005 at 8:10 am
Terminal 4
Arrival Minneapolis/St Paul MN - Intl
Thu 05 May 2005 at 10:12 am
Lindbergh terminal
Stops Nonstop
Travel time 3 hr. 2 min.
Transfer time
Aircraft type MDC DC-9
Service
on board First Class
Economy Class

Time difference -1 hr. 0 min.
Distance 1652 km
1026 miles
E-ticketing Electronic ticketing is possible for this flight

AND...

Flight NW735
Operated by Northwest Airlines
Departure New York NY - John F. Kennedy Intl
Thu 05 May 2005 at 5:35 pm
Terminal 4
Arrival Minneapolis/St Paul MN - Intl
Thu 05 May 2005 at 8:00 pm
Lindbergh terminal
Stops Nonstop
Travel time 3 hr. 25 min.
Transfer time
Aircraft type MDC DC-9
Service
on board First Class
Economy Class

Time difference -1 hr. 0 min.
Distance 1652 km
1026 miles
E-ticketing Electronic ticketing is possible for this flight

which doesn't answer your question, however, today NW735 is scheduled to be a DC-9-30 as well as for tomorrow and yesterday. Couldn't find any stats on NW 733.

I think I found the longest NW DC-9 route ....

Flight NW1640
Operated by Northwest Airlines
Departure Flint MI - Bishop
Sat 30 Oct 2004 at 9:50 am

Arrival Fort Lauderdale FL - Intl
Sat 30 Oct 2004 at 12:56 pm
Terminal 1
Stops Nonstop
Travel time 3 hr. 6 min.
Transfer time
Aircraft type MDC DC-9
Service
on board First Class
Economy Class

Time difference 0 hr. 0 min.
Distance 1907 km
1185 miles
E-ticketing Electronic ticketing is possible for this flight

Anyone find one longer than that?
NW B744 B742 B753 B752 A333 A332 A320 A319 DC10 DC9 ARJ CRJ S340
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:04 am

I can't seem to be able to listen to the webcast. Do i have to wait 24hrs. or what please help me?
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:04 am

Thanks for the info, KDTWFlyer. Big grin

Sounds like NWA has the largest DC-9 fleet in the world! Is that right?


Of course, and not to mention the largest A320 series fleet in the world, and as far as total fleet I think they are about to surpass Air France as the worlds largest Airbus operator.
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:07 am

Thanks for checking KDTWflyer. Good information. My JFK flight to MSP is the 8:10 am departure at 3 hours 25 minutes. That sure is a long distance for these old niners. I look forward to it. I guess that is the beauty of the niners in that they don't publish the actual type until later so they have the flexibility to substitute when necessary. Very efficient NWA.
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:54 am

Are they ordering 3 more A330s, or are they just having only 3 more deliverd next year?
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:00 am

Northwest is ordering 6 more A330-300s and 10 more A330-200s with options for 36 more A330-300s.
NW B744 B742 B753 B752 A333 A332 A320 A319 DC10 DC9 ARJ CRJ S340
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:10 am

KDTWFlyer, so 16 more A330s are to be deliverd, for a total of 30? I thaught it was about 24 total.
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:12 am

KDTWFlyer,

I think you are a little confused There is NO order for additional A330's. All that was addressed is NW's fleet plan for 2005, plain and simple. At year-end 2004, NW will have 8 A330-300's, and 7 A330-200's. In 2005, they will take delivery of 3 A330-300's. Beyond 2005, NW will still have an outstanding order for 3 more A330-300's and 3 A330-200's.

Relax people there is nothing new here. As has been stated for several years now, NW will gradually retire a handful of DC-9's each year for the time being, primarily to get rid of the highest time, pending heavy mx, and/or problematic DC-9's. The last of the DC-9-10's will be retired in early 2005, I believe about 4, and then 3 -30's will be retired in 2005. No big deal, no big story.

Sorry to dissapoint all you.
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:58 am

Burnsie28

The CRJ 200 is not replacing the DC-9's, second, the new pilots contract shows that 70 seater planes will be flown by NW pilots.

1.
Even Passages has stated the CRjs have allowed NW to "go into new markets the DC9s were too large for" and replace them in old ones for the same reason.

2.
What new contract. Has it been ratified? It hasn't even gone out to the members yet has it? I'm sure NWA has proposed this but has it passed?
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:07 am

M404, yeah actually explanation of what the contract will be has gone out to pilots, in fact, i have it right here in my hand.
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:07 am

"Of course, and not to mention the largest A320 series fleet in the world, and as far as total fleet I think they are about to surpass Air France as the worlds largest Airbus operator."

That's interesting, I didn't know that until now.

I did manage to check out NWA's fleet for myself in NWA's website. Sorry if I hadn't bothered to check out NWA's DC-9 fleet online myself before. Not all airlines show their fleet information online, or it gets very difficult to find such info. It did take me a little uncovering for NWA, but not too long, though.

With 8 333s, 78 320s and 70 319s - this makes 156 Airbuses according to the fleet info as of the end of June 2004! Given the recent pics on A.net's database, NWA already has a few A330-200s flying around.

Notice that the fleet info shows up to 36 options for the A330-300. While these are not firm orders, this has me wondering if NWA is planning an eventual retirement of its entire DC-10-30 fleet in the near future.

For anyone who wants to look at NWA's fleet makeup:
http://ir.nwa.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=111021&p=irol-fleet

Now back on topic here -

"Relax people there is nothing new here. As has been stated for several years now, NW will gradually retire a handful of DC-9's each year for the time being, primarily to get rid of the highest time, pending heavy mx, and/or problematic DC-9's. The last of the DC-9-10's will be retired in early 2005, I believe about 4, and then 3 -30's will be retired in 2005. No big deal, no big story.

Sorry to dissapoint all you."


I'd agree that it's only a drop in the proverbial bucket, but ANY DC-9 retirement's bound to be big news among us a.net members and other aircraft buffs, given how long NWA's managed to keep flying all those DC-9's!
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:27 am

Yep,

A320 Series- (Top 10)
1- Northwest (148)
2- Air France (130)
3- US Airways (111)
4- United (106)
5- Air Canada (102)
6- America West (86)
7- Iberia (74)
8- Lufthansa (72)
9- China Eastern (63)
10- jetBlue (62)

A320 total plus widebodies NW (12) AF (35)

1- Air France 165
2- Northwest 160
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:46 am

Burnsie28

OK I get it. A summation. I figured that would be out. Was it in mail or a site. In other words - can I peek?
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:12 am

I think that the retirement of the DC-9s - even only 7 - will result in a global glut of Diesel fuel! I just could not resist it. This being said...

It will be awesome to see some more Airbus in that great "liquid metal" NW livery. However, the DC-9 have been great workhorses for NW and the fact that they were paid off - old though they may be - was a very prudent financial decision by NW. I will miss them flying over my house and leaving dark Diesel exhaust trails.
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:14 am

Well I have some stuff but im not going to post it here, PM me your AIM address.
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:38 am

I am soooo happy that NW is retiring them. I have been waiting for this for a while and I know that alot of people who participate in the forum hate them also. Hopefully we will then get something different at KGRB / GRB ??? Thanks for the news bulletin.
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:59 am

Whats the big deal? NWA has been retiring some DC9's every year.
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:02 pm

163 - 7 = 156 to go !



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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:06 pm

Thank you, Jafa. I was thinking the same thing. NW has been retiring DC9s for a few years now.. granted, most of them were -10s and some were -30s.
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:09 pm

Unitedkatw:

The A319 comes to GRB. I flew out on it this morning.

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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:11 pm

If you broke out all the windows in an AMC Pacer, would the roof collapse?
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:20 pm

Yeah, NW has been retiring DC-9's since the early 90's, nothing new here.
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:21 pm

Hopefully we will then get something different at KGRB / GRB ??? Thanks for the news bulletin.

Probably Avros and A319s... You'll get REAL sick of those REAL fast... The beauty with the DC9s...THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT.. If you look in an ex-eastern -9 flight deck, and then look at one they got from KLM, they will be different. I always found it fascinating to find the differences of all the DC9 flight decks. With the A319, it will be the same damn thing all the time.
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:35 pm

Vote: What will replace the NW DC-9s?

This is new information? How many nines did the get rid of this year? Has there been a year since acquiring RC that NW has not gotten rid of and DC-9s?

What about the 7e7 order??
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:09 pm

I got the A330 information from Northwest's fleet subsection of their Investor relations page.....

http://ir.nwa.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=111021&p=irol-fleet
NW B744 B742 B753 B752 A333 A332 A320 A319 DC10 DC9 ARJ CRJ S340
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 1:29 pm

Yeah, those numbers are a little dated, end of June. Since NW has already taken delivery of 4, soon to be 5 A330-200's since then.
 
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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:17 pm

United does not have 106 A320-series aircraft; UA has 97 A320s and 55 A319 = 152. That includes Ted but Ted is a part of United Airlines.

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RE: NW To Retire 7 DC-9s Next Year

Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:30 am

Air Canada has 113 A320 family not 102 (13 A321, 52 A320, 48 A319) plus 19 wide-bodies for a total of 132 Airbuses.